We know Rehsif and Kelemir are in Kadar, so I equip up to take a look full equip too - all exc phial of Roderick's Dream Potion (in hands). An exquisite set of steel chainmail (worn). A great numenorean warshield (worn). A leather scout ruck (open) (worn).
I would say being an ER or FR alt depends on who your main char is, and their main chars are mostly FR alts.. and they do spy even while on their more peaceful ER alts.
myrddin, i hate to say it, but you're absolutely right
Well yeah Vermond most people are FR alts (played FR first) as Exide said (he was right for once) but the riot ERs have also had non-riot high level ERs, hence them knowing the lands so well.
An ER doesn't need to quit to avoid death in FH. It's just a strategy that prolongs their lifespan to increase killings.
Besides, after a few kills are made, just about everybody knows the ER's around, so there's nothing to gain by staying online.
Banhe, I'm pretty sure lightning is not affected by RM and having RM will hardly help me survive a wizard lockup since his fireballs will still do around 70, it is like saying it is worth training blind fighting.
Myrddin, they're FR alts :P
And Banhe I'm pretty sure RM will do the trick in decreasing damage of conjured spells (though perhaps not leech).
Those riot ER's must've been taught by you Exide, if they were so pro. at quitting.
And actually, if any of you had bothered to find out a little more about these riot ERs, you'd find that most of them were in fact ER alts and not FRs at all. Easy enough to blame FRs for all your problems. Not, however, always true.
Yes, I am sure it would have been stupid for this guy to train RM. I mean, I bet the RM would not have helped him anyway because it isn't like the SRS did much damage to begin with. I bet the stab did at least 210 hp. And if that stab wouldn't have done the trick he could have just done multiple stabs like 8 times in a row to kill him. That would have been fun!
Flawlessly executed
Vermond if some wizard locks you up, then fb you to death cause you have no RM, then you will come here in the logs page saying, ITS STUPID TRAIN A SKILL JUST BECAUSE OF 1 SPELL!!
Should've a skill that decreases the damage of Necromancy (conjures) and leech. then remove SRS. Or keep both.
It is a fact that ERs can and do train RM :P
Date: 24. Mar, 2006, 1:16:22 By: Gaul
'are probably FR alts (aren't we all?), '
I'm not.>>
I have an FR alt...but I'll always consider myself an Evil. ;)
'are probably FR alts (aren't we all?), '
I'm not.
whine whine whine... damn
Kelos: No not talking to you ;) Talking to the ERs whining about how fast ambush was disabled.
If they abused a bug, please nuke them :P
Excuse me, but this is no bug. This is no children's playground.
Interesting how you guys define 'bug', 'nasty' and 'useful'-
BUG, NASTY (or a NASTY BUG) - something that can be used against me!
USEFUL (GOOD, IN ORDER etc) - somthing I can use!
You are all so weak and blind..both FRs and ERs..
'I think they are ER's that are FR alts who got to high levels and then started wreaking havoc...'
You are wrong, Kelos.
First: Backstab and Ambush is the same thing, basically. It is coded the same way, but Imho, Backstab is deadlier.
Secondly, and now to the point: Riot ERs are probably FR alts (aren't we all?), yes. But not all of them reached a high level. And none of them wreaked havoc. They did one or two surprise attacks, swept everyone off their feet. When we got our senses back we started hunting them down, we never killed them too much, though. 'Cause they always hid in innrooms and quit. But yea, no havoc or anything.
But anyway, my only complaint was that strike isn't counted properly yet for 1 special hit per round. Anyhow, SRS isn't going to be nerfed - it's as deadly and useful in our wizards hands as it is in yours. You wizards will still be able to keep your SRS's and its nasty efficiency too - just a second of buffer should be in place if we're all complaining about instakills.
According to the ainur I talked to, it's a known 'bug' that is currently being addressed, though he had no idea what progress had been done so far.
It would be a good idea to allow BHs to hunt without ambushing until ambush is enabled, to prevent them from being totally crippled.
I don't see what the problem is with ambush being disabled. A fix is always good, regardless the side of the war it effects most.
by Galad: The ambush code was designed in such a way that it was MEANT to prevent double ambushes. However a BUG in the code prevented this from happening. Hence it was quickly disabled, not because it was a BALANCE issue, but because the code behaved in a manner in which it was not supposed to.
so as i told earlier they abused bug, and they did it on purpose, shouldn't it be nukable? *shrugs
Not sure if you are talking to me or someone else, but I appreciate that. I was just pointing out that backstab was nerfed awhile ago, yet ambush was allowed to be used over and over on someone for a good while after backstab was nerfed.
They obviously did fix it, but I guess this bug creeped up and they had to disable it, which sucks for BH's.
The ambush code was designed in such a way that it was MEANT to prevent double ambushes. However a BUG in the code prevented this from happening. Hence it was quickly disabled, not because it was a BALANCE issue, but because the code behaved in a manner in which it was not supposed to.
I am sure you can appreciate the difference.
Thanks Kel.
I think they are ER's that are FR alts who got to high levels and then started wreaking havoc...
Random question: What the hell is a 'Riot ER'?
It's not really hard to quest for servants, it's just harder to quest than for non-servants, but that doesn't mean it's hard. And the 'shouldnt have to train a skill for one weapon' argument has been argued over for ages, so there's no real point in bringing it up back again.
Aye, Tortuga, I was wrong. Been known to happen from time to time. ;)
So yeah, we ERs *can* train resist magic...very useful, I'll probably keep that as high as I can from now on. Despite the SRS, I hate fireballs and lightning...been dropped from full 230 to 93 by a fireball once, and I don't want that to happen again.
On a different note, I don't think SRS should be changed or removed. Perhaps something similar (but not exactly) to SRS should be added for ERs...*shrugs* Honestly, I think things are fine as they are, now that I know evils can train RM.
ER professions weren't made to be FR copies.
Okay.. you obviously didn't get it..
Fixing ambush is okay, yeah, SRS might have been used for years, but in the current situation it can't be used by ERs and it is hard to quest for servants, so it would make it a FR weapon, even if not, that doesn't make it any better, I know you have to train RM, yes, whatever, however I find it stupid to train RM for a single weapon and keep it up constantly to prevent being instant killed by two people.
Would you like it if ambush was left the way at was, and you were allowed to train a BH skill that would prevent multi ambushes as a secondary?
God damn, SRS has been whined about for years. how the fuck can you start saying it's an advantage for FRs!? If you aint a noob here then you know that you must have RM or you will die quick as hell.
Damn, join a guild, go to war and this won't be a problem because then you know whattodo. you can't defend ambush in anyway so shut it. we whine forever wwithout it gotten removed in the first place and when they actually understood it was a bug then it got fixed. when the same bug returns then of course they will disable it
You couldn't ambush someone more than once within the same minute after the fix, as far as I know
Ambush was fixed where it could be used over and over again on the same target if you left the room and then they followed you. They used it that way to kill their patrols rather quickly.
But it's still an attack like backstab, in which a player cannot be stabed more than once in two minutes by anyone, whereas ambush was never changed to be that way...until now I guess.
Ambush was fixed much longer ago, I think it was a bug that made it usable in this way again, and it lasted what.. 2 days?
Saurus, we can't use the ability 'counter' to counter spells, a situation where RM will help against spells and actually make a change is rare. Pretty much everyone that trained it did so because they were forced to do so by strikes, which I would say is stupid.
Egh, I think both sides are heard equally...you ER's whined about HTHS and it was nerfed pretty quick. Backstab was nerfed WAAAAAY before ambush was, even though double-ambush had been complained about for awhile now...I'm surprised it took this long for something to happen to fix it.
training resist magic isn't just for a single weapon, it's to resist magic of all wizard's tricks generaly and i don't see traning it stupid in any way
I don't think whining about anything makes you a loser, however FRs (most likely because of their advantages in numbers) are more able to get their voice through, which is why ambush was disabled almost immediately until a fix, I don't see getting people like Winnetou punished for abusing lack of enforcement of ER lawsys on them until the fix gets through (dev 35). Hell, if ERs were half as effective at whining they would probably get Mordor gates closed by now (and you're complaining that we shouldn't be able to sneak past to mt level 3..)
I'll repeat my case: IT IS STUPID TO TRAIN A SKILL UP REGULARLY JUST FOR A SINGLE WEAPON
Backstabs were even worse, they could be trained up as a secondary skill and remain effective. The fact that you have infighting doesn't change anything.
Vermond, your side were the losers who whined about backstabs first before the double ambush was used to the point of abuse. I am thinking you just died to it and are still pissy about it. Not to mention, FR to FR strikes are still common so its not just ER's who have to train it. Jesus Duncan, catch on on the rest of the comments?:P
On a side note, can we have a log type of 'whine'??:)
Read Duncan's comment, realize anyone can train RM, wait until the strike not counting as a special attack bug is fixed (it is a bug-being-fixed, I guess?), and close this boring case.
legend formid :P
and that's not cause my skills are low let me tell you.
The only thing that makes it better than double ambush is the fact that you can train RM to counter the strike partly, but meh, the single trainer that ERs can train it from is part of a quest and usually dead
Besides, it sucks to have to train a skill just for a single weapon so that you have a chance to break without getting killed instantly.
I would guess if ERs want it nerfed, they should encourage serving wizards to use it more in order to cause a wave of whining and quick disablement of strike.
That did some damage :P
Speaking of dragons, how many died there the other day? I didn't stick around to see the end.
It still sucks to be killed like this though. I can understand the frustration.
This is why you love the Black Sword ;)
ps. it must be more powerful because of all the dragon blood on it.
erm, no offence - SRS has been like this for the last 8 years i have been a player. It was no different then. A strike + crit on stab (very rare,lucky) will kill you if you have no RM. Ok, with stab change so you always hit makes it a little more nasty. Thing is with this, its avoidable with a little investement in RM. Double Ambush had no counter. Short of not entering the room, but thats the same with ANY attack!
A brilliant attacking combination.
Cozoq, don't sound like Fernando - 'They are able to kill me, that's wrong!!!'. If there is a way to be invincible, then IT will be a bug.
Train RM, explode their staff, bring in some healing and a SoB or a MELS and you could even lock them all up!
On the other hand - allow the ERs to train RM. The strike is something perfectly balanced - something that gives wizards a worth in real combat where everyone's moving and where headbutts and massacres just erradicate your concentration.
So, allow the ERs to train RM!
And frankly, going to a spot with 5 enemies there without the awareness that this is DEADLY and is supposed to be DEADLY is...to say the least, naive and not serious at all:P
yeah!!! infact just cap the damage someone can recieve each round, make it 10 or something so they've only got like 46 seconds to break!
I hate SRS. And one shouldnt be able to backstab with two-handed swords. Nerf, nerf!
Oh, and bring Double Ambush back, or remove SRS.
Unless something changed recently, ERs -can- train RM. I'm not going to say where, but you should know. The only thing that is wrong with this log is that the SRS doesn't count as a special attack (for failkill) which I believe the ainur already know about. Cozoq, you should have RM trained! :(
That is Black Sword that backstabbed you I think, which is pretty brutal coupled with a strike...ouch.
now you know what double ambush feels like
[new] Date: 23. Mar, 2006, 5:16:56 By: Galad
What's your RM?
As far as I know, there is no way for an ER to train FR skills, and vice versa.
What's your RM?
I just bring this up after noticing how quick ambush was disabled at the prospect of it giving -almost- instantaneous death
You poor baby.
I lost 1.81 million exp too (down from over 9 million exp)