Wear them down and let the dogs finish them off
mappers are gay!
and you cant interupt the go command unless you use a special type of speedwalking, which is to slow. (At least the way i use it) So its like an alias from a-b.
Kelos, your right there is not difference - only travelto is a in game tool that does it for you, to get the mapper to do if for you is a whole new ball game - in your own words, the mapper can be buggy.
Lucky for me I am a good coder, so a few tweaks (As formid has stated) and it works really well.
I've obviously mapped a lot of Arda on my Excel spreadsheet, and if I need a map from time to time, I just use good ol' 'alt-tab' to look at my map :)
I made my own map, hell I even mapped all of mordor (including Barad Dur) before ER's were released for the second time (those stairs took hours on their own).
It's not just a matter of 'walking every room' ZMuds mapper doesn't particularly work very well on our mud, I had to override a lot of the stuff it does by default with special triggers in order to get it to work (and even now on the odd occasion the map does get a bit confused).
Either way I currently have some 70k rooms mapped (I haven't counted in a while), all of which I mapped by myself, and in some cases I had to remap entire areas several times (the ainur like changing things subtly every so often, for instance the capitalisation of 'The Plains' in gondor and 'The old forest road'. Mirkwood I've had to remap several times.
I recently remapped all of Lothlorien, that wasn't easy with patrol's and FR's hounding me all the time (yeah I could have used an FR char but where's the fun in that). One thing I will say about the mapping process, once you've actually mapped an area (and in my case re-coloured it with forests in brown etc) it does show you quite a few things. I knew my way around arda pretty well before I used the mapper, I know my way around even better now, the visualisation that the map gives you of the world around you is much better than keeping a mental image.
The whole 'run to some random rooms in the plains to get someone lost and backhunt' argument is flawed anyway. I know several assassins who don't use maps but have their client build up a list of directions they have hunted across, and scripts which simply reverse those directions. The map simply makes that whole process much faster.
I got a trial version of ZMud just to map so I could find some new places and learn the general shape of most areas. I still prefer my trusty MUSHclient and going everywhere by hand than using a cheap mapper. :P
or client aliases
Kelos, I am 99% sure that all mappers got their maps from someone. Atleast if I ever was to use a mapper, I would ask someone for it. No need to discover hot water again.
I would agree with Jabba...I experimented with the Zmud mapper to see how it worked, but it was so buggy and hard to work with...mapping the entire grid would take forever.
I'd never trust it anyways...
Not that I really trust myself much either :)
Then comes the fact that it takes no skill at all to click a mapper, but a properly executed backhunt does.
Agreed with Pallasch.
You need to feel the rush of being taken in the middle of nowhere and to get away from there and even more - to lead the hunter somewhere where he will be lost or something.
Its the cherry of all.
I mean, it's like buying a new video game and looking up cheat codes for it before you even play it.
I would never trust my client enough to put my life in its hands. But hey, I use Gmud, and it has no hands.
I just feel using a mapper to get you out of sticky situations take away from the excitement of those situations :P Getting away without relying on your client to do it is, in the end, much more justifying.
aliases are different from a mapper. unless i'm mistaken, you can interrupt a mapper go command. you can't stop an alias. so if you alias from rhosgobel to bree, then, you are stuck until the end of the road. with travelto, you can drink your flask or whatever. personally, I could get from town to town by hand, it would just take a little while. It's a skill that people ought to learn.
I don't see how travelto-return and running to an innroom is any more frustrating to an assassin than getting someone lost, and backhunting, only to have them use their mapper to get unlost quickly.
If you have the mapper setup and working correctly - then i agree, its the big reason why i use it alot. Its not difficult to get unlost.
You have to spend alot of time getting it to help you like that though. - I suspect very few do.
You still have to map out the areas though, and have every single room linked and working. You have any idea how long that takes? :)
Travleto - you dont even have to know anything about the grid to get there.
travelto return quickly, to bolt back to your inn room is even more frustrating!
Exactly, getting backhunted in the middle of nowhere and typing/clicking on something to take you to a signpost when you don't know where you are is different than going from rhos to bree. One case is some noob getting in over their head and needing their client to bail them out, and the other is normal.
The difference between mappers and travelto is one won't save a noob's ass when he gets backhunted in the wilderness.
I have no skill, I am just a script. I've never been good and will never be. I have no friends, no allies and I only play this because I'm too fat to move away from my computer irl. And oh, yeah I'm a virgin too. Happy?
So what about Travelto?
Since it was introduced (IMO the worset addition to the game, period) anyone over lvl5 and get to any town in arda.
gone are the days of adventuring with a friend to go find a new town. Get hunted by the terrifying beast around rhos.
Wih the mapper, you have to explore and learn all the rooms anyway, else the mapper is pointless :p
Yes, i could play on telnet, i often did from college.
My worse problem though, is all my aliases are client side, not mud side :p so i would forever be typing ws(wield sword) and getting no where :)
My map has developed and changed over the last 8 years(yes, the mapper(s) is/are nothing new). As a result, i have learnt a lot of hidden places.
And lets be honest, typing go bree, and letting the mapper do it for you, is no different than typing a rhos-bree alias.
Formid usually plays from work, which means telnet actually.
Using mappers is same as using a pk bot or golding bot. Its illeagal.
The whole idea of the mud is YOU to play it. Formid, I am not familiar with your skill level - you might know your way or you might not.
Know what, 100 bucks say that 90% of the players cant do shit on plain telnet. When have you last went to pk on telnet? Do you even know one alias? This is what skill is all about. Creativity etc... Not just click a button and go anywhere you want.
If I was ainur, I would remove randomly some rooms Plains for example.
One room gone here, one room gone there. Go use your mapper:)
Arawn, it's nothing to do with not knowing how to get somewhere, I am quite capable of doing that (hell, most of the time I play these days I'm not even using zmud with my map). It's all about speed. I am quite capoable of getting from one place to another by hand. However I can just click and let the client figure out the most optimum directions instantly.
Im behind Arawn.
I'm behind.. er, I agree with Arawn.
Mappers are cheating as far as I'm concerned. If you don't know how to get somewhere, you shouldn't be able to get there.
Mappers are not new :)
Just seems only recently that people have bothered to use them.
Pfffffft to that comment. :) I have a hell of a time, unless I'm paying very, very close attention. Otherwise I have to run around like a loobie until I find a trail I can hand follow back to the gates or Gothmog.
I'd say mapper is an advantage over botting in dell's farm anyday :P
Not like it's hard to know where you are on the Pelennor anyway.
Nice setup
Yes, fighters own. :)
Nice log, and good setup at the end.
Harrow, all Jaron can do is whine and die. Let him be.
Ok. Quit on the botting thing J:P No-One cared about that 4 years ago, let alone now:P
ouch, poor guy..
I don't think his client bots for him at Dell's farm.
Omg and they are proud of their living client.
Yes I have spent numerous hours to get an advantage over stoneage mudders like yourself.
Are you one of those Mapper Kiddies too, Rasvaak?
Fighters hurt:(
Shexy.