Some people wanted to see what happened in the meeting and I had it logged.
Inafiate tells you: yeah.. type meet meet Ok. A meeting room Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Tavor NeoRayne the dunedain Deadly Shot (Angelic) Belthazar Vermithrax the dunedain Master Ranger (Angelic) Spoonster is just glad there is wine. Kaylyne the uruk-hai Shadow Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Wilderuno Woki the dunedain Pakrat Killer (Terribly Sorry!) Oakwood Nestor the eorling Archmage (Angelic) Correction Fluid the uruk-hai Grim Reaper Petra 7 the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Sza the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Kalenriel Niphredlifaen the silvan Mountaineer (Angelic) Kade the dwarf Tracker (Hand of Eru) Gurthramar the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Aoulm the variag Bloodhound Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! HP:224 EP:160 > Sza goes WOOT WOOT WOOT at you! Aoulm looks at Spoonster. Tavor goes away from the keyboard. woh You say, "woh!" and take a step back! HP:225 EP:161 > Tavor returns to the keyboard. Spoonster says in Westron: Whats the problem :) Aoulm looks at Drogian. Gurthramar says in Westron: To reduce spam, could we possibly have a system regulating who speaks when? Belthazar leaves. Correction looks at Sizzle. Correction looks at Sza. Kaylyne agrees wholeheartedly. Kaylyne looks at Sza. Sza says in Westron: know what would be ironic, if i came into here and hid from the sheriff Gurthramar says in Westron: Just so that everyone can actually read everything that's said. Tavor says to Spoonster: Look at the room desc. Petra says in Westron: so came kelos, the spreekiller Celoril says in Westron: I suggest a 'If you speak out of turn, you get nuked' system Aoulm cheers enthusiastically for you. Grick enters from afar. legend petra Petra 7 the numenorean Archaic Battlemage On For: --------------------- Is ONLINE! 18m 49s Gender: male Age: 5d 10h 27m 52s Can be mailed: Petra@Tul-Tarzhayan Petra is a member of the Durbatuluk legion. Info: When you pirate MP3s you're downloading communism. HP:227 EP:163 > Spoonster smacks Tavor. Grick says with a drawl in Westron: owah [ Valacirca ] Crusaderr: so when you leave the meeting do you end up in bywater? arc petra You arc an eyebrow quizzically at Petra. HP:227 EP:163 > Tavor grins mischievously. Glormin enters from afar. Spoonster says in Westron: type leave to leave. Sizzle hehs. Gurthramar licks Grick. Aoulm looks at Grick. Undertow enters from afar. Petra tickles you incessantly. [ Valacirca ] Borkaz: hehe Undertow says, "woh!" and takes a step back! Petra goes off to a meeting. Petra leaves to a meeting. Petra enters from afar. [ Valacirca ] Inafiate: Haven't tried that yet Wilderuno grins mischievously at Undertow. Undertow drops an old wooden chair. Undertow sits down on a chair and looks pleased. Petra says in Westron: dude! type meet again! Fytro looks at you. Wilderuno frowns at Undertow. Kaylyne says in Westron: talk Glormin leaves. Proof enters from afar. Drogian says in Westron: okay Drogian says in Westron: So Petra says in Westron: type 'meet' again! Drogian says in Westron: Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? Aoulm nods. Tavor smacks Petra. Sizzle says in Westron: can we talk about the stuff for why we are here now? Drogian says in Westron: quick informal poll Drogian says in Westron: yes or no Petra nods. Gurthramar says in Westron: Yes Aoulm says in Westron: Yes. Sizzle nods. Tyraeth says in Westron: yes Petra says in Westron: yes Wilderuno says slowly in Westron: Yes Undertow says: yes Tavor says in Westron: Yes. Kaylyne says in Westron: No. Sizzle says in Westron: yes yes What? HP:230 EP:166 > Dansk says in Westron: yesd Kade says in Westron: yes Inafiate says in Westron: Yes Celoril says in Westron: yes ' yes You say in Westron: yes HP:230 EP:166 > Kaylyne says in Westron: no Wormbaneii says in Westron: yes Oakwood says in Westron: yes Kaylyne says in Westron: no Mikah says spasmodically in Westron: Yes Drogian says in Westron: Okay now: Are FRs able to go wanted too easily. Gurthramar says in Westron: Kaylyne, stop trying to multivote :P Tyraeth turns to Kaylyne and says loudly, "SHH!". Gurthramar says in Westron: No Drogian says in Westron: quick informal poll, answer yes or no Tyraeth says in Westron: no Tavor smacks Kaylyne. Kade says in Westron: no Fytro says Majestically in Westron: yes Celoril says in Westron: no ' no You say in Westron: no HP:230 EP:167 > Wilderuno says slowly in Westron: No Undertow says in Westron: no Tavor says in Westron: Only once, Kay. Mikah says spasmodically in Westron: no Kaylyne says in Westron: My friends can't come in Kaylyne says in Westron: so I'm speaking for us. Petra says in Westron: kaylyne answered no alone, 3 times, in the first question Petra says in Westron: NO Gurthramar says in Westron: Why can't your friends come in? Tavor says in Westron: Kay, tell them to meet. Tyraeth says in Westron: i would like to make one point on that fact though Tayzer enters from afar. Drogian says in Westron: Yeah I noticed, Petra. Because they're wanted, Gurth. Proof looks at Sizzle. Tanner enters from afar. Proof looks at Sza. l Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Proof the dwarf Go Getta (Drinkin') An old wooden chair {Occupied} Petra 7 the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Undertow Dinruth the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Tavor NeoRayne the dunedain Deadly Shot (Angelic) Spoonster is just glad there is wine. Kaylyne the uruk-hai Shadow Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Wilderuno Woki the dunedain Pakrat Killer (Terribly Sorry!) Oakwood Nestor the eorling Archmage (Angelic) Correction Fluid the uruk-hai Grim Reaper Sza the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Kalenriel Niphredlifaen the silvan Mountaineer (Angelic) Kade the dwarf Tracker (Hand of Eru) Gurthramar the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Aoulm the variag Bloodhound Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! HP:230 EP:169 > Correction looks at Drogian. Gurthramar says in Westron: They can't meet while wanted? Kaylyne says in Westron: Because they are wanted, and Altar is god knows where:P Drogian says in Westron: correct gurth Fytro looks at Drogian. Gurthramar gets the idea in his thick skull and gives an 'AH' of comprehension. Tavor says in Westron: Ohh. Kay, then they have no say, as this matter INVOLVES them. Wormbaneii says in Westron: that right there is the problem Noris enters from afar. Borkaz mutters to himself. Pablo enters from afar. Drogian shrugs at Tavor. Spoonster says in Westron: this invloves all of you. ' would be funny if their paid their fines so they could be at this meeting Proof looks at an old wooden chair {Occupied}. You say in Westron: would be funny if their paid their fines so they could be at this meeting HP:230 EP:171 > Kaylyne says in Westron: I don't see how hard it is to arrest them. Gurthramar says in Westron: Kaylyne is a reasonable representative for them; she IS in pretty much constant communication with them. Drogian says in Westron: they can come in on alts Kaylyne says in Westron: I am talking to Khaedes right now:P Tavor will be right back... Petra nods at Drogian. Tavor leaves. Tavor leaves. Wormbaneii says in Westron: kaylenes legion should be mortal enemies with udungul by virtue of alleged theme Drogian says in Westron: okay Tavor boggles at the concept. HP:230 EP:172 > Sizzle says in Westron: tavor left twice? Tavor leaves. HP:230 EP:173 > Drogian says in Westron: so Kaylyne had the unpopular opinion Kaylyne says, "Ok!". Kaylyne says in Westron: number one: -> Tavor is stuck? Sizzle hehs. Sizzle laughs. Sizzle looks at Tavor. Kaylyne says in Westron: Udungul's theme isn't to protect Mordor. Kaylyne says in Westron: it's just what they do. Proof leaves. erm You erm. HP:230 EP:174 > Proof enters from afar. Tayzer smiles. Tavor looks at Proof. Drogian says in Westron: Kaylyne, tell me why it's not too easy for eRs to go wanted Gurthramar says in Westron: What IS udungul' stheme? Tyraeth says in Westron: it was changed to suit their needs, it was in their theme for a few years Iuwbfo enters from afar. Pablo says in Westron: i knew udungul's theme before you started mudding kaylyne :P Borkaz says in Westron: where can I read up on your theme, Kaylyne? Wrekker enters from afar. Drogian says in Westron: I don't care about their theme. Drogian says in Westron: not on the agenda Kaylyne says in Westron: my theme? Kalas enters from afar. Noris looks at you. Kaylyne says in Westron: my legion's theme? Cozoq enters from afar. ' just let them talk guys You say in Westron: just let them talk guys HP:230 EP:176 > Cozoq bows suavely. Sizzle nods at Cozoq. Tyraeth nods. Sizzle curtseys gracefully. Spoonster says in Westron: We don't care about that, stay on topic Petra says in Westron: all legions theme are the same HP:230 EP:177 > Kaylyne says in Westron: then what are you asking me:P Noris looks at himself. Undertow says in Westron: why is it so easy for them to go wanted? Petra says in Westron: guilds have theme, not legions ' he asked why it isn't easy for ER's to go wanted You say in Westron: he asked why it isn't easy for ER's to go wanted HP:230 EP:177 > Sizzle whispers something to Cozoq. Tavor left the game. Kalas says in Westron: ER's hide in Mordor, FR's hide in MT Tavor appears from the shadows. Tavor enters the game. Kalas says in Westron: simple as that Tavor smiles and says: Bah! Tavor leaves. Sizzle laughs. Wormbaneii says in Westron: because they can hide behind multiple badass guards in bd courtyard? Tyraeth says in Westron: mt isn't lawless Grick says with a drawl in Westron: thats true Proof leaves. Kaylyne says in Westron: so kill the badass guards? Kalas says in Westron: Wormbaneii, those guards in BD are easily solo'd Tayzer smiles happily at Kalas. Undertow says in Westron: because they have the protection of mordor and have all of their friends kill the crap out of anyone who even tries to arrest them Jasumin enters from afar. Gurthramar says in Westron: It's a bit more involved than that, Tyraeth. Zargon enters from afar. Tyraeth says in Westron: i disagree Wormbaneii says in Westron: and waqtch them logoff Wormbaneii says in Westron: yes Iuwbfo says in Westron: if you go wanted cant you just hide in far harad? Wormbaneii says in Westron: it's been triede Sigma enters from afar. Gurthramar says in Westron: FRs get the short end in more than just MT not being comparable to Mordor. Sigma bows with the knowing grin of some one who is about to do something crazy, then cartwheels a few times, then does some back flips, god you are impressed by his agility, he flips around you for some time before starting to break dance right at your feet, stands up and dusts himself off, then right as you are about to applaud he trips over his own feet, moment over. Noris says in Westron: evils and free race are ment to kill each other if you dont want to die then get stronger and fight back Petra says in Westron: drogian, block emotes Sizzle says in Westron: not all ers can do that Sigma says in Westron: sory Wormbaneii says in Westron: sure they can Jasumin says in Westron: All well and good Noris Sizzle says in Westron: sfrs can't Noris says in Westron: well this is social darwinism Aoulm says in Westron: I don't understand how an FR can Report an ER anyways Sza looks at Sigma. Jasumin says in Westron: but not everyone wants to be involved in pk all the time Wormbaneii says in Westron: sure they can Jasumin says in Westron: There has to be some kind of limitation Tyraeth says in Westron: not the purpose here aoulm Noris says in Westron: the rich will survive Petra says in Westron: there's a global lawsys, aoulm Wrekker says in Westron: pk tags Drogian says in Westron: ok we're WAY off topic again Celoril agrees wholeheartedly. Aoulm says in Westron: Would a Towering Olog-Hai, slaughtering the poor elves for Sauron stop for a petition from the family then ACTUALLY pay it? Wormbaneii says in Westron: i am not Undertow says in Westron: simple solution would be to make it so that wanted time does not decrease while in mordor Tyraeth agrees with Undertow wholeheartedly. Petra says in Westron: pk tags will put the mud out of its misery, wrekker Wormbaneii nods almost imperceptibly at Undertow. Petra says in Westron: look at EotW mud Jasumin agrees with Petra wholeheartedly. Undertow says in Westron: PK is important to the mud, but only in the right balance Celoril says in Westron: the mud has already decided on global lawsys and pk tags. Let's discuss wanted/spree killing please Wormbaneii says in Westron: look Borkaz says in Westron: does the black hand have an advantage that they can kill in mordor more freely then SFRs? (since black hand members are uruks/numenoreans etc?) Shortstuff enters from afar. ' killing is fine, but we can't have this spreekilling crap You say in Westron: killing is fine, but we can't have this spreekilling crap HP:230 EP:187 > Tyraeth says in Westron: yes borkas Shortstuff says in Westron: wow Tanner says in Westron: despite what a lot of you think this game doesn't revolve, or need, pk to survive. Aoulm says in Westron: I'm all for Spree-Killing butl.. Sigma says in Westron: i assume that the TNT solution to spree killing has been thrown out Sza says in Westron: what constitute sprekill? Altar enters from afar. Wrekker looks at Altar. Altar says in Westron: greetings Kaylyne looks at Altar. Noris greets Altar. Jasumin looks at Altar. Thuglife enters from afar. Jasumin greets Altar. Borkaz tells you: what happens when an SFR kills in mordor opposite to an true ER? Cozoq looks at an old wooden chair {Occupied}. Mikah looks at Altar. Tyraeth says in Westron: honsetly there is no spree killing on tnt, but that isn't the purpose of this meeting tell borkaz no idea You tell Borkaz: no idea HP:230 EP:190 > Kaylyne says in Westron: who cares about tnt:P Jasumin says in Westron: it's dynamite! ' Drogian, ask the question again, let's stay on topic? You say in Westron: Drogian, ask the question again, let's stay on topic? HP:230 EP:190 > Kaylyne says in Westron: its shit Jasumin stands up straight and loudly bellows 'HA HA!'. Sigma says in Westron: well they came up with a decent solution to spree killing Aoulm says in Westron: I'll go on TNT just to spree kill Petra leaves. Borkaz says in Westron: is there a difference when an SFR kills in mordor or an true ER does it? Jasumin turns to Aoulm and says: Okay. Petra leaves. Altar nods. Sizzle says in Westron: it's the same Petra says in Westron: the LEAVE command is bugged Hellflame enters from afar. Petra says in Westron: i'm trapped Petra leaves. Shortstuff leaves. Petra leaves. Sigma says in Westron: just because they suck at life doesnt mean they havnt found some creative solutions to old problems Cozoq leaves. Borkaz says in Westron: SFR unserve? Hellflame says in Westron: OMG! Cozoq enters from afar. Sizzle laughs. Tyraeth nods at Borkaz. Petra leaves. Petra leaves. Petra leaves. Drogian says in Westron: say Drogian says in Westron: ok Drogian says in Westron: now this should be a little less spammy Wrekker says in Westron: haha Cozoq says in Westron: oh hi Tyraeth says in Westron: lol Noris says in Westron: haha Cozoq leaves. Sigma says in Westron: woo Sizzle says in Westron: tha's funny ' yeah, let spammy now You say in Westron: yeah, let spammy now HP:230 EP:195 > Thuglife says in Westron: no? Sizzle says in Westron: that's* Borkaz says in Westron: so true ER alts kill in mordor (they dont unserve) and give Eq to SFR alts that can use their weapons well? Is that the issue? Spoonster leaves. Drogian says in Westron: ok Drogian says in Westron: so here's the question Aoulm says in Westron: Just silence everyone then issue each person the ability to speak Sizzle says in Westron: it's like your mom.. No. Drogian says in Westron: WHY do you all say it's too easy for ERs to go wanted? Sigma says in Westron: because the system was designed to be lawless Kaylyne says in Westron: i can't type anything Gurthramar says in Westron: *raises hand* Tyraeth says in Westron: lawless and great npc protection and scouts Kaylyne says in Westron: oh! Aoulm says in Westron: Because it is in our nature to kill FR's. From an RP standing we should every chance we get to KILL Kaylyne says in Westron: ok nevermind Noris says in Westron: lets go back to bps ! Cozoq enters from afar. Altar says in Westron: Hey, Drogian Drogian says in Westron: all talk :P Just ONE statement per preson though. Cozoq leaves. Cozoq enters from afar. Jasumin says in Westron: Well..it could be because they're all going wanted and not paying fines, and not being arrested very often :P Spoonster enters from afar. Spoonster says in Westron: Ok. Altar says in Westron: Can you moderate and tell which people to talk :P and have people rhand if they have something to say Spoonster sneaks home. Spoonster appears out of thin air. Hellflame says in Westron: then try to arrest Hellflame says in Westron: dont be scared Kalas says in Westron: people are just bitching because they can't arrest Noris says in Westron: jasumin suck it up and start arresting ppl Iuwbfo leaves. Kalas says in Westron: they die Hellflame says in Westron: we know you are Spoonster says in Westron: ok people Wormbaneii says in Westron: hellflame HP:230 EP:200 > Iuwbfo enters from afar. Hellflame says in Westron: what do you want Iuwbfo leaves. Wormbaneii says in Westron: you can't say we have not tried Iuwbfo enters from afar. Tyraeth says in Westron: such a basic and childish answer Fytro looks at Wormbaneii. Iuwbfo leaves. Iuwbfo enters from afar. Hellflame says in Westron: you have no tried ' we've tried many times... You say in Westron: we've tried many times... HP:230 EP:202 > Sizzle looks at Fytro. Celoril says in Westron: I am comparing it to an FR's case. If an FR goes wanted, other FRs will arrest them. If an ER goes wanted, they have the ability to hide behind several strong guards and receive quite a bit of protection from other ERs. An FR, even behind a strong set of guards, will usually not have such protection. Wormbaneii says in Westron: omg Gurthramar says in Westron: ERs have the advantage that any "riot" er - an ER willing to arrest an ER or a servant willing to arrest a servant - can be bashed into nothing without lawsys reprocussions, and can even got bountied for doing so - whereas FRs cannot do the same for ERs with FR alts who do the same - such as Kariuki Tyraeth says in Westron: please try and come up with a better logical argument than "don't be scared" Kaylyne says in Westron: it's not impossible Drogian says in Westron: Stop. Drogian says in Westron: New question. Dansk says in Westron: most FRs idle when they reach a high enough level to be able to arrest the ERs that are wanted, theres no way in hell a mid level can arrest an ER with all his buddies protecting him/her Hellflame says in Westron: tyraeth I wouldnt be talking Wormbaneii says in Westron: lemme give an example plz Drogian says in Westron: WHY are ERs not being arrested? One answer per person please. Hellflame says in Westron: I have seen nobody try to arrest a er yet Iuwbfo leaves. Altar says in Westron: I think I can answer this one Gurthramar says in Westron: Drogian: See my answer above. Sizzle says in Westron: they're scared :P Correction leaves. ' I arrested Sza this morning You say in Westron: I arrested Sza this morning HP:230 EP:204 > Celoril says in Westron: Fear of being killed (or, if you're an ER, of being killed without any protection) ' I arrested Hazin a few weeks ago You say in Westron: I arrested Hazin a few weeks ago HP:230 EP:205 > Hellflame says in Westron: wow he is a newb Iuwbfo enters from afar. Noris says in Westron: ERS ARE UNITED Hellflame says in Westron: congrats Iuwbfo leaves. shrug Altar says in Westron: It is a few simple reasons.... We cooperate, we communicate, and we trust eachother. No. HP:230 EP:205 > Kaylyne says in Westron: because they'd rather whine then actually do something about it and arrest Aoulm says in Westron: We aren't being arrested because we have to work together against outstanding odds. There are considerably more active FR's and they have the ability to surpass lvl 19 Sigma says in Westron: why should they, if they go wanted its because they did something to an FR, ERvER situations are handled by warlords Thuglife says in Westron: ok so we are being arrested thenm Hellflame says in Westron: we know what to do Tyraeth says in Westron: lack of interest from their respective side, plus the protections mordor supplies Hellflame says in Westron: we all help eachother Sizzle looks at Grick. Iuwbfo enters from afar. l Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Iuwbfo the sindar Archmage (Moral) Cozoq the numenorean Mage of Darkness Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! Aoulm the variag Bloodhound Gurthramar the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Kade the dwarf Tracker (Hand of Eru) Kalenriel Niphredlifaen the silvan Mountaineer (Angelic) Sza the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Oakwood Nestor the eorling Archmage (Angelic) Wilderuno Woki the dunedain Pakrat Killer (Terribly Sorry!) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Kaylyne the uruk-hai Shadow Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight Undertow Dinruth the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Noris the dwarf Swordmaster (Moral) Pablo Escobar the dunlending Warlord (Moral) Wrekker the uruk-hai Nemesis Kalas the dunedain Archmage (Demonic) Jasumin the dunedain Butcher (Moral) Zargon Surendetta the dunedain Sigma Nu the uruk-hai Mage of Darkness Altar the uruk-hai Shadow Thuglife the PWNER the uruk-hai Lurker Hellflame the uruk-hai Shadow Spoonster is just glad there is wine. HP:230 EP:207 > Correction enters from afar. Correction leaves. Wormbaneii says in Westron: a group of us attempted to arrest azkur while he was in his hall alone, we went to bd killed the guards and by the time we got to his hall he had logged off, he then logged on an alt and tried to kill us Altar says in Westron: chels, call me Sza says in Westron: you can't punish the er's because we work as a team Thuglife says in Westron: also because our crimes aren't commited against other er's Sigma says in Westron: iuwbfo please, in or out Sizzle says in Westron: we can't do tells? The air around you shimmers and Correction suddenly forms before you. Fernando enters from afar. Oakwood says in Westron: also if you try to arrest them Iuwbfo says in Westron: im trapped in the bloody void when i try and get out Borkaz says in Westron: see wormy's response Drogian says in Westron: Stop Drogian says in Westron: question Rhone enters from afar. Gurthramar looks at himself. Thuglife looks at you. Hellflame looks at Gurthramar. Grick leaves. Spoonster isn't here any more. Hellflame looks at Wormbaneii. Hellflame looks at you. Wormbaneii says in Westron: AND, er's SHOULD NOT be helping er's that kill in Mordor Drogian says in Westron: If Celoril's right - Gurthramar's right, then should we remove the FR lawsys? Just yes or no answers please. Iuwbfo says in Westron: let me out please? Noris looks at you. Borkaz says in Westron: they can see an arrest coming from afar, kill everyone for free that fails an arrest (or log on an alt todo it) Gurthramar says in Westron: No. 'no Celoril says in Westron: no You say in Westron: no HP:230 EP:212 > Tyraeth says in Westron: *scratch* no Drogian says in Westron: type leave iuwbfo Sza says in Westron: yes Mikah says spasmodically in Westron: no Borkaz says in Westron: sorry...I didnt see the stop Jasumin says in Westron: of course not. Sizzle says in Westron: no Fytro says Majestically in Westron: no Inafiate says in Westron: No Kade says in Westron: yes Zargon says in Westron: absolutely not :P Kade says in Westron: that would be cool :P Aoulm says in Westron: Remove all Lawsys. Let killing reign free Wormbaneii says in Westron: no Iuwbfo leaves. Jasumin says in Westron: no Fernando says in Westron: no! Altar says in Westron: no, dont remove lawsystems Correction leaves. Gurthramar says in Westron: Summary: All ERs say yes, all FRs say no. Borkaz says in Westron: lawsys should remains, so no Wilderuno says slowly in Westron: No. Sizzle says in Westron: no Aoulm Fytro says Majestically in Westron: what if wanted people aren't allowed to be protected or grouped? Noris says in Westron: just cause frs were the ones always dieng Sigma says in Westron: lawsys should be as it was when warlords were first released Hellflame says in Westron: remove Drogian grins at Gurthramar. Noris says in Westron: start fighting back Grick enters from afar. Wormbaneii says in Westron: global lawsys has mellowed some of the more outrageous newbiue killing and every other min attempts Hellflame says in Westron: lawsys should stay Autosave. ' This mud is based on Tolkien and role playing his world...turning it into a PK mud would ruin it and is already ruining it. Once ER's and no lawsys were installed, it started going downhill. You say in Westron: This mud is based on Tolkien and role playing his world...turning it into a PK mud would ruin it and is already ruining it. Once ER's and no lawsys were installed, it started going downhill. HP:230 EP:215 > Drogian says in Westron: answer Fytro's question, yes or no Kalas says in Westron: fr's bitch because it doesn't go their way Kalas says in Westron: aka, they can't arrest us, so they ahve to bitch about it Kalas says in Westron: rather then fighting back Sizzle looks at Grick. Cozoq says in Westron: grouped in what sence? Wormbaneii says in Westron: bullshit kalas Kaylyne says in Westron: well said Kalas Gurthramar says in Westron: Kalas... the fact that they cannot fight back is what they're bitching about :P Tyraeth says in Westron: if they are wanted in mordor other players can protect them just by attacking the arresting party Kalas says in Westron: they can Sizzle leaves. Celoril says in Westron: Undecided about Fytro's question Sigma says in Westron: that is just horrible Fernando says in Westron: fytro's question: cool, but not enough Kalas says in Westron: i've killed lots of fr's trying to arrest me Pablo says in Westron: what about hiding at the silent slayer archers/guards Aoulm says in Westron: ER = Work toggether. FR = Newbie Killers, Grudge Kllings. I don't udnerstand why Kalas says in Westron: and NONE of them were in Mordor Hellflame says in Westron: you have more fr's than we do er's Tyraeth says in Westron: but i would agree with the no parties for wanted players Pablo says in Westron: how the hell do you get arrested there :P Inafiate says in Westron: Yes to Fytro's question Pablo says in Westron: with all that protection Sigma says in Westron: fytro's idea sounds ok, but how thematic is it Hellflame says in Westron: you can easily try Hellflame says in Westron: but you just dont Sizzle enters from afar. New player alert: Josie has just been born. Sizzle leaves. Gurthramar says in Westron: Hellflame: I was killed just recently trying. Fytro says Majestically in Westron: well ur wanted, how is helping a wanted person legal? Noris says in Westron: pretty much the frs get there way now there bitching about it again till they get a new change then theyll bitch about that its an on going process Fytro says Majestically in Westron: isnt that assistance to crime? Thuglife says in Westron: You didn't try hard enough Jasumin says in Westron: I don't think it would make the big of an impact legend noris No. HP:230 EP:220 > Sizzle enters from afar. Sigma says in Westron: wanted for newbie killing mabey, but not for regular pvp Hellflame says in Westron: bring more people Hellflame says in Westron: work together Sigma says in Westron: and def not theft Hellflame says in Westron: instead of crying about it Drogian says in Westron: stop Drogian says in Westron: New question sigh No. HP:230 EP:221 > Kalas says in Westron: you thinkd ER's would go watned if FR's could easily cuff? Fernando says in Westron: remove hellflame from here Hellflame says in Westron: remove fernando from here Sizzle says in Westron: he stays Kalas says in Westron: no, its a challenge. Drogian says in Westron: What if wanted time did not decrease in Mordor? Jasumin says in Westron: protection and partying isn't the issue so much as it is being attacked while trying to arrest by outsiders, and ERs going wanted in areas that are insanely hard for FRs to reach Hellflame says in Westron: haha Tyraeth says in Westron: then a balance will have been reached Hellflame says in Westron: cause fernando cant handle it Borkaz says in Westron: yes Gurthramar says in Westron: Yes Scat enters from afar. Sigma says in Westron: as long as wanted time doesnt decrease in guildhalls and mt Sigma says in Westron: or you could raid mordor Aoulm says in Westron: If wanted time did not decrease in Mordor, going wanted would decrease, Towers would become stagnant and ppl would quito Fernando says in Westron: yes Sizzle says in Westron: everyone would hide in mordor Scat says in Westron: Cool. Noris says in Westron: how about raising the minimum kill level or something like that Tyraeth says in Westron: *roll aoulm* Wormbaneii says in Westron: no wanted time decrease in mordor is best solution Wrekker says in Westron: Does wanted time go down in west arda? Fernando says in Westron: guildhalls are raidable Scat says in Westron: I can't do anything, though? :P Drogian says in Westron: No Wrekker. Wrekker says in Westron: I want to be able to raid west arda then Tyraeth says in Westron: no wrekker Drogian says in Westron: And it's not supposed to decrease in FH either. Wrekker says in Westron: ok Scat leaves. Wrekker says in Westron: missread ' or in GH's Spoonster enters from afar. You say in Westron: or in GH's HP:230 EP:225 > Tyraeth says in Westron: it was recently i had heard, in FH Thuglife says in Westron: So then all of the wanted fr's can just hide in west arda Fernando says in Westron: wrekker, type 'leave' Drogian says in Westron: Right, Kelos Aoulm says in Westron: Everytime I type something it just says "No." Wormbaneii says in Westron: wanted time should only go down in lawsys areas accessible by all Tyraeth says in Westron: *shake thuglife* Borkaz says in Westron: no decrease of wanted time in mordor/mt is fine by me Inafiate says in Westron: I would like wanted time not decreasing in Mordor... and it works since Mordor is also lawless so why should a lawsys function work in there agree No. HP:230 EP:227 > Thuglife says in Westron: fernando stop talking Tyraeth says in Westron: yes, someone had said how it was ironic that wanted time would decrease in a lawless land Aoulm says in Westron: Notice, all ppl for not wanting it to go down...*Cough* FR Tyraeth says in Westron: carver i think, on a petition Celoril says in Westron: Inafiate, does that mean that no one could get arrested in Mordor? Altar says in Westron: Here, I think you guys refuse to look at the whole picture Altar says in Westron: Azer waited out wanted time ' what is it Altar? You say in Westron: what is it Altar? HP:230 EP:228 > Sigma says in Westron: OK EVERYBODY STOP TELLING EVERYONE ELSE TO LEAVE ACT LIKE ADULTS SO DROGIAN CAN HANDLE ALL THE INFORMATION HE IS RECEIVING Kalas says in Westron: Mordor isn't a jolly land Noris says in Westron: drogian its will allways be the same, frs are gonna go one way the ers are gonna go another Kalas says in Westron: you go there and expect to be killed Fernando says in Westron: we need tevildo here Altar says in Westron: Klockers used to do it regularly Fernando says in Westron: stop using caps or leave, sigma Drogian says in Westron: 5 more minutes on this point. Kalas says in Westron: only the elite can master Kalas says in Westron: aka FR's should be in there, I suppose Tyraeth says in Westron: nobody bothered klokers Altar says in Westron: People do it if they have friends and a system. Anyone Melandra enters from afar. Inafiate says in Westron: I'm ok with that option Celoril... Kalas says in Westron: sinc ethey bitch about ER's being wanted. Wormbaneii says in Westron: master what? mp and logging off? Tyraeth says in Westron: nor did they go wanted for pking Kalas says in Westron: mp? Kalas says in Westron: what MP are you talking about? Tanner says in Westron: Question: what if pk was removed, or changed so that maybe only people with contracts can be pk'ed Fernando says in Westron: ministry of peace [ Valacirca ] Fofester waves. Aoulm says in Westron: No, Tanner. bad Borkaz says in Westron: no tanner Kade says in Westron: bad idea Gurthramar says in Westron: I don't think we can discuss specific instances of MP here because it would require us to disclose alts. Grick says with a drawl in Westron: bad Jasumin says in Westron: No tanner Cozoq says in Westron: no tanner Kade says in Westron: terrible idea Tanner says in Westron: why Sizzle says in Westron: If it doesn't decrease the time in mordor won't everyone be hiding there? Kalas says in Westron: stupid idea Altar says in Westron: It isnt ER's, it isnt Mordor. It is the fact that people go wanted, and have the friends, and the plan to keep from getting caught. Celoril says in Westron: sorry tanner, no :P ' I wouldn't care if you went wanted for killing a few people. But you guys have killed so many, it's just sad. A newbie who barely knows the game killed 5 times while you have been wanted. Fernando says in Westron: horrible You say in Westron: I wouldn't care if you went wanted for killing a few people. But you guys have killed so many, it's just sad. A newbie who barely knows the game killed 5 times while you have been wanted. HP:230 EP:230 > Tyraeth says in Westron: i would say its mp to use all your alts, fr and er, to pk with the same people Sigma says in Westron: say some times i have a bad day and i just wanna kill some one tanner Wormbaneii says in Westron: no it's mordor altar Sizzle says in Westron: then everyone would go there to try to arrest? Melandra says: I think for a start letting lower lvl be pk'ed is wrong Altar says in Westron: No Wormbaneii, why didnt anyone arrest Azer a few months ago Sizzle looks at Melandra. Aoulm says in Westron: Semotes have been disabled. Altar says in Westron: or all the other BkD's Sigma says in Westron: westron melandra Tanner says in Westron: ok, anyone have a valid reason? sigma's, "i just want to kill people" really isn't Grick says with a drawl in Westron: if time were not to go down in Mordor, it shouldn't go down in MT ' I don't even remember Azer being wanted... You say in Westron: I don't even remember Azer being wanted... HP:230 EP:230 > Wormbaneii says in Westron: mt has lawsys Jasumin says in Westron: The problem isn't pk in general, it's just that it's running rampant (again) Tyraeth says in Westron: i can agree with that grick Sza says in Westron: melandra speak westron Cozoq says in Westron: so main problem with mordor is - that ERs get too much warning and can quit before handcuffer's come? or because ERs are too united and can defend their ally who is wanted? Fernando says in Westron: because everyone hated durms, altar Sigma says in Westron: wait i have a compromise for tanner Jasumin says in Westron: MT and Mordor are not quite the same :P Pablo says in Westron: cozoq Celoril says in Westron: Grick, FRs will still be arrested by other FRs in MT, an ER in Mordor will almost always only face FRs Tyraeth says in Westron: fernando has it altar Noris says in Westron: lets raise the minimum kill lvl to 10 or something like that Fofester enters from afar. Altar says in Westron: Nah, it didnt have anything to do with that Jasumin says in Westron: but nevertheless I think most FRs could live with that Tyraeth says in Westron: yes it did, all guilds were against durms Pablo says in Westron: what is united about hiding at silent slayer where all the guards auto attack frs Altar says in Westron: Azer had friends with him, and backup Sigma says in Westron: merciful always on, except when killing some one who is wanted or contracted Sizzle leaves. ' United by outside means is another problem...when you see azkur along in Mordor, you run in and suddenly alts log on because of online chats, and it just makes it UN-FUN You say in Westron: United by outside means is another problem...when you see azkur along in Mordor, you run in and suddenly alts log on because of online chats, and it just makes it UN-FUN HP:230 EP:230 > Fernando says in Westron: then you are blind or idiotic, altar Tyraeth says in Westron: azer idled it all off in his gh Sizzle enters from afar. Altar says in Westron: he idled it off in the silver mine, with many other BkD's watching his ass Jasumin says in Westron: yeah, Kelos, but what are we supposed to do? Outlaw IMs? :P Wormbaneii says in Westron: make mordor raidable ;p ' why didn't you guys go get him then? You say in Westron: why didn't you guys go get him then? HP:230 EP:230 > Aoulm says in Westron: I like killing the unsuspecting. Lesil, Hamling, Bank, Mafus. All good PK. Dansk doesn't count I used healing Tyraeth says in Westron: not to mention his 'protection' would have had to face the lawsys if they helped defend him ' Jasumin I know it's not controllable...I know. You say in Westron: Jasumin I know it's not controllable...I know. HP:230 EP:230 > Celoril says in Westron: I remember that, Altar - just before global lawsys, about 2 or 3 FRs successfully evaded being arrested Noris says in Westron: womr thats redicoulous Tanner says in Westron: you people really suck at discussing stuff, but sigma, that could work. but you'd have to get the ADD folks to focus for more than five seconds Kalas says in Westron: thing is Kalas says in Westron: death's do nothing Wormbaneii says in Westron: hence the :P Fytro says Majestically in Westron: well if hes getting away, wouldnt his protectection get away too? Kalas says in Westron: so why not bust your but, maybe crack a few deaths to arrest someone? Altar says in Westron: Honestly, I'm all for making wanted time not go down in anywhere that isnt public Undertow says in Westron: perhaps limit the amount of alts that a person can have. seems like alt characters has always been a problem in arda and will continue to be a problem...mainly because people use them to cheat (even if it is a little cheat) Kalas says in Westron: you lose what 1 average stat? Jasumin says in Westron: I remember going to arrest Carmel with like 12 people because she was at Harad...but by the time we got that organized and got there, she had logged off :p Noris looks at Drogian. Sigma says in Westron: what about making harbouring a fugitive subject to the same crime that that fugitive commited Zargon leaves. Altar says in Westron: No guildhalls, no innrooms, no thrans, no west arda etc Kaylyne says in Westron: so be quicker? Fernando says in Westron: IDEA: restric PK to guilded/legioned people, i've seen it in other muds and it works pretty well: if you want the benefits from a guild/legion you're agreeing with the PK system. Wormbaneii says in Westron: guildhalls are raidable Gurthramar says in Westron: Isn't thrands raidable? Jasumin says in Westron: it takes time to organize people Cozoq says in Westron: not number of alnts, but alt interaction that's the problem undertow.. i have alts, but they're not ok - pk time, i'll log on my pker now Jasumin says in Westron: it always will Rhone says in Westron: What if you didn't lose or got back some of your EP if you are murdered by an ER? If you had them or could arrest them? Kalas says in Westron: no fernando ' hard to be quicker with scouts and stuff giving off alarms You say in Westron: hard to be quicker with scouts and stuff giving off alarms HP:230 EP:230 > Zargon enters from afar. Kalas says in Westron: kelos Melandra leaves. Kalas says in Westron: FR's have alarms too Noris says in Westron: fernando how about we restrict stealing ' i know that You say in Westron: i know that HP:230 EP:230 > Tyraeth says in Westron: and they also have to deal with lawsys ' both sides Gurthramar says in Westron: No, Kalas, we don't. You say in Westron: both sides HP:230 EP:230 > Wormbaneii says in Westron: but FR's arrest FR's Aoulm says in Westron: How about, just let us kill ppl and insanely decrease the death penalty? And allow ppl to res at their corpses? Tyraeth says in Westron: you guys don't Fytro says Majestically in Westron: i actaully liked fernando's idea Fernando says in Westron: could be done, Noris ' I arrest FR's all the time Sigma says in Westron: it you were going to do that fernando you would have to do a lot to balance guilds and legions You say in Westron: I arrest FR's all the time HP:230 EP:230 > Catrin enters from afar. Tyraeth says in Westron: i don't like fernandos idea Altar says in Westron: nor do I Sizzle says in Westron: me either Tyraeth says in Westron: people shouldn't have to join a group just to kill Noris says in Westron: frs are split up ers arnt Drogian says in Westron: stop Noris looks at himself. Cozoq says in Westron: no to fernando Fytro says Majestically in Westron: then why not balance them? Noris leaves. Undertow says in Westron: ok. throwing something out here. what if you were not allowed to be killed within x number of minutes after previously being PKed? Tanner says in Westron: you people keep saying you don't like an idea but don't discuss it, you just say "no" and then rant about azer hiding from being wanted Noris enters from afar. Fernando says in Westron: drogian said stop Thuglife says in Westron: I am going to have to go to a no on Fernando's proposal Noris leaves. Drogian says in Westron: ok Drogian says in Westron: Now only I can talk :) Drogian says in Westron: Give me just a second to catch up, sorry Kade leaves. Kade enters from afar. Drogian says in Westron: okay Drogian says in Westron: New question Kalenriel has gone net-dead. Drogian says in Westron: What if deaths by normal pks remained the same, but deaths by contracted or bountied pks had double the penalties? Kalenriel has reconnected. Drogian says in Westron: I'll turn off the talk-block in a few seconds Melanna enters from afar. Sza says in Westron: i like the idea Tyraeth says in Westron: i like it. Fofester says in Westron: Wouldn't make a change. Making money for a contract is trivial, even for me. Gurthramar says in Westron: I don't see how that would affect the situation. Tanner says in Westron: i don't think that would solve any problems Sigma says in Westron: you should leave it off for a more than a few seconds to let people think first Drogian says in Westron: Okay, I want ONE say per person. Sizzle says in Westron: good Kade says in Westron: how would that have any effect on spree killing? Jasumin says in Westron: Everyone would have contracts..people would make alts to contract all active people so that their pk-fest could continue Grick says with a drawl in Westron: i don't like that idea Kalas says in Westron: That works, but solves nothing what we're talking about. Wrekker says in Westron: yes Altar says in Westron: I think that idea has no purpose Aoulm says in Westron: Nooo. Then bounties would be numerous. Ppl out for the specific reason to bash ppls lvl. Let PK be PK, remove considerable PK death penalty Rhone says in Westron: I don't thiank lately the pks are coming from bounties or contracts are they? They are random hate crimes Wrekker says in Westron: death needs to hurt more Tanner says in Westron: rhone is correct Hellflame says in Westron: death does nothing Fytro says Majestically in Westron: don't really like idea Hellflame says in Westron: I died and lost about nothing Cozoq says in Westron: Perhaps, if ERs could use the contract system, because bounties are not much more than a tool to catch riot ERs on occasion and that's all ' I don't see how it applies to the reason we're here...but i don't think it helps or changes much You say in Westron: I don't see how it applies to the reason we're here...but i don't think it helps or changes much HP:230 EP:230 > Fernando says in Westron: i like it, but that wouldn't resolve the whole thing, since blah blah blah rhone said it all Sigma says in Westron: there is a big problem with that drog, you know how people used to place contracts on others so that they could get reduced fines Inafiate says in Westron: I like it, but I don't see it working because the fact that people aren't caught when wanted causes the biggest problem. Already a maxed lawsys reward for arresting someone isn't necessarily the incentive.. so while I like it, I don't think it solves the problem Fernando says in Westron: bounty system is a joke cozoq Catrin says in Westron: What exactly does it solve? Zargon says in Westron: hmm Fernando says in Westron: my riot ER has never been caught Drogian says in Westron: Jasumin: remember that you have to be holding a contract for the kill to count as a contract kill. i.e. no random pks Zargon says in Westron: can we please leave to where we came from? :P Zargon says in Westron: I feel a little bit captive! Cozoq says in Westron: right, no bountyhunters, totally inefficient, etc Kalas leaves. Kalas enters from afar. Wilderuno leaves. Drogian says in Westron: type leave zargon? Kalas leaves. Fernando says in Westron: *nods at cozoq* Zargon leaves. Kade says in Westron: we go to the void Zargon enters from afar. Kade leaves. Drogian ohs interestedly. Kade enters from afar. Zargon says in Westron: it takes me to the void Kalas enters from afar. Sigma says in Westron: what about people who place a contract on some one, just to do double damage and get reduced fines against some one Drogian says in Westron: one sec, lemme fix Spoonster says in Westron: i will move you Thuglife looks at Wormbaneii. Fytro says Majestically in Westron: they can still random pk, regular people cant they? Spoonster isn't here any more. Drogian says in Westron: ok fixed Kalenriel leaves. Kalas leaves. Tanner says in Westron: drogian, if what you're saying is that you can only kill a person if you have a contract on them, then yes, i think that's a great idea Kalas enters from afar. Kade leaves. Kalas leaves. Thuglife says in Westron: what is fixed? Kalas enters from afar. Zargon leaves. Tyraeth says in Westron: not what he was saying Kade enters from afar. Zargon enters from afar. Kade says in Westron: didn't fix it Jasumin says in Westron: Pks aren't precisely fully random now so much as they're indescriminate...pk you because you're a FR or pk you because you're a ER Zargon suddenly shimmers and fades away. Fernando says in Westron: not what he was saying, and it's a bad idea tanner Sizzle leaves. Spoonster enters from afar. Hellflame looks at Kaylyne. Kalas leaves. Sizzle enters from afar. Kalas enters from afar. Drogian says in Westron: alright, enough on this topic. Spoonster isn't here any more. ' what if arresting was a 1 vs 1 only job No. HP:230 EP:230 > Tayzer looks at Altar. $ can i type here? No. HP:230 EP:230 > Sza looks at himself. Drogian says in Westron: Okay Drogian says in Westron: Question: Spoonster appears out of thin air. l Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Spoonster is just glad there is wine. Melanna Gray the eorling Dominatrix (Heroic) Hellflame the uruk-hai Shadow Thuglife the PWNER the uruk-hai Lurker Altar the uruk-hai Shadow Sigma Nu the uruk-hai Mage of Darkness Jasumin the dunedain Butcher (Moral) Wrekker the uruk-hai Nemesis Pablo Escobar the dunlending Warlord (Moral) Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Undertow Dinruth the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Kaylyne the uruk-hai Shadow Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Oakwood Nestor the eorling Archmage (Angelic) Sza the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Gurthramar the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Aoulm the variag Bloodhound Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! Cozoq the numenorean Mage of Darkness Fernando Malvadeza the eorling Master Thief (Angelic) Rhone Devinwood the dunedain Guide (Angelic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight Fofester Ciryamo the dunedain Archmage (Angelic) Catrin Ruazair the dunedain Gypsy Rose Lee Kade the dwarf Tracker (Hand of Eru) Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Kalas the dunedain Archmage (Demonic) HP:230 EP:230 > Balin appears out of the corner of your eye. Autosave. Kade looks at Balin. Sizzle looks at Balin. Borkaz looks at Balin. Drogian says in Westron: Are we experiencing an abundance of spreekilling? Yes/no answers please, one per person, with at most 5 words after the yes/no :P. Borkaz looks at the World Atlas. Sza says in Westron: no Drogian says in Westron: go Fernando says in Westron: fuck. i can't even type 'who' Gurthramar says in Westron: Yes Wrekker says in Westron: no Fytro says Majestically in Westron: yes Undertow says in Westron: yes Tyraeth says in Westron: yes Jasumin says in Westron: yes Catrin says in Westron: Yes Melanna says in Westron: no Aoulm says in Westron: no, it could be better Balin says in Westron: yes Someone says in Westron: yes Tanner says in Westron: yes Kalas says in Westron: no Tayzer says in Westron: no ' yes You say in Westron: yes HP:230 EP:230 > Borkaz says in Westron: yes Wormbaneii says in Westron: i have a suggestion Thuglife says in Westron: np Altar says in Westron: no Rhone says in Westron: yes Thuglife says in Westron: no Sizzle says in Westron: no Fernando says in Westron: yes, aoulm is an idiot Kade says in Westron: every single FR will say yes, every single ER will say no Oakwood says in Westron: yes Sigma says in Westron: no, except unsanction guild wars Celoril says in Westron: probably yes - not an abundance, but exists Kade says in Westron: so... Yes Drogian says in Westron: That didn't happen Kade. Borkaz says in Westron: no kade, not true Rhone says in Westron: we are experiencing large number of hate pks. Drogian says in Westron: Okay Wormbaneii says in Westron: drog may i give a suggestion Drogian says in Westron: Next question. Fofester says in Westron: Yes. Maybe not spreekilling, but negatively high amounts of random/pointless killing. Slugz appears out of the corner of your eye. Someone says in Westron: wait Drogian eagerly listens to someone. l Someone says in Westron: is a FR killing an ER a spree kill? Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Slugz the dunedain Deathmaster (Impartial) Kalas the dunedain Archmage (Demonic) Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Kade the dwarf Tracker (Hand of Eru) Catrin Ruazair the dunedain Gypsy Rose Lee Fofester Ciryamo the dunedain Archmage (Angelic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight A gold and silver statue of Balin. Rhone Devinwood the dunedain Guide (Angelic) Fernando Malvadeza the eorling Master Thief (Angelic) Cozoq the numenorean Mage of Darkness Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! Aoulm the variag Bloodhound Gurthramar the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Sza the numenorean Archaic Battlemage Oakwood Nestor the eorling Archmage (Angelic) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Kaylyne the uruk-hai Shadow Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Undertow Dinruth the silvan Battlemage (Angelic) Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Pablo Escobar the dunlending Warlord (Moral) Wrekker the uruk-hai Nemesis Jasumin the dunedain Butcher (Moral) Sigma Nu the uruk-hai Mage of Darkness Altar the uruk-hai Shadow Thuglife the PWNER the uruk-hai Lurker Hellflame the uruk-hai Shadow Melanna Gray the eorling Dominatrix (Heroic) Spoonster is just glad there is wine. HP:230 EP:230 > Slugz listens to someone. Balin grins at Slugz. Tanner says in Westron: n Tanner says in Westron: no Tyraeth says in Westron: if it's done repeatedly to random persons, yes Celoril says in Westron: someone, if done in a spree-killing manner, yes Aoulm says in Westron: I kill pointlessly. Look at my Necklace I have no reason besides that it is fun. Celoril says in Westron: What is a definition of spree killing? Altar looks at a metal necklace. Sizzle says in Westron: who is someone? Jasumin says in Westron: if he's killing massive amounts with no rhyme or reason, then yes. Catrin says in Westron: Especially targetting lower, vulnerable people also Rhone says in Westron: tyreath is right Fytro says Majestically in Westron: its spree kill when they kill teh same guy 5 times Tanner says in Westron: when that fr kills the er 20 times, yes Tanner says in Westron: and vice versa Melanna looks at a metal necklace. Wormbaneii says in Westron: make a min time limit to be on for wanted ppl Jasumin says in Westron: No, Fytro that's harassment :p Grick says with a drawl in Westron: i think there is too much lowbie spreekilling Tyraeth says in Westron: indiscrimitately killing people for no reason other than because they can Tanner says in Westron: jasumin: not according to current administration Celoril says in Westron: tyraeh - how many people .. in what amount of time? Melanna leaves. Kalas says in Westron: so what if someone spree kills, arrest them and they can no longer spree kill. Kade leaves. Tyraeth says in Westron: when 6 ers join up to kill a level 12, a problem exists Spoonster isn't here any more. Fytro says Majestically in Westron: but the er was jsut doing that jasumin Sigma says in Westron: mabey chance the min level of ERvFR to 15 Fytro says Majestically in Westron: but to random people Hellflame says in Westron: 6? Thuglife says in Westron: 'when did we 6 bang a level 12? Altar says in Westron: I hate to harp on this, but the disparity here is skill. Drogian says in Westron: ok Kalas looks at Slugz. Drogian says in Westron: Question. Yes or no. Kaylyne has gone net-dead. Kaylyne has reconnected. Fernando looks at Kalas. Kaylyne looks at Altar. Fernando looks at Hellflame. Fytro looks at Drogian. Fernando looks at Catrin. Kalas looks at Fernando. Drogian says in Westron: Should the administration be very concerned about whether certain active and well-known players are breaking rules by making "excessive" kills? Kaylyne looks at herself. Fernando looks at Sza. Drogian says in Westron: and I'll disable look if you keep doing that. ' yes No. HP:230 EP:230 > ' yes No. HP:230 EP:230 > Drogian says in Westron: Alright. Answer. Fernando says in Westron: YES Wrekker says in Westron: no Tanner says in Westron: yes Fernando says in Westron: YES Celoril says in Westron: yes Undertow says in Westron: yes Tyraeth says in Westron: YES! Thuglife says in Westron: no Kalas says in Westron: no ' yes You say in Westron: yes HP:230 EP:230 > Catrin says in Westron: Yes Inafiate says in Westron: Yes Rhone says in Westron: yes Sza says in Westron: yes Jasumin says in Westron: No, Not by individuals so much as the system itself allowing so much pk. Tayzer says in Westron: no Sigma says in Westron: thats pretty vauge drog Thuglife says in Westron: no Hellflame says in Westron: no Hellflame says in Westron: no Aoulm says in Westron: No. 1. It is only a game. 2. Unless the kills are excessively low lvl and repitious no Pablo says in Westron: yes Altar says in Westron: No, once again, the problem here is a disparity of skill Balin says in Westron: yes Tayzer says in Westron: no Oakwood says in Westron: Yes Mikah says spasmodically in Westron: Yes Gurthramar says in Westron: Yes Spoonster appears out of thin air. Slugz says in Westron: no Sigma says in Westron: no Fernando says in Westron: only once, spreekillers Fytro says Majestically in Westron: yes Cozoq says in Westron: not by individuals Borkaz says in Westron: Altar: then go take your skill and take on other ERs/Frs with skill and dont bother me, that has no skills, apparantly in your words (since I have another opinion Catrin says in Westron: There's no skill killing a lvl 12 brand new mudder Fernando says in Westron: thuglife and hellflame said it at least twice each Sizzle says in Westron: depnds on the kills Balin says in Westron: game or not, it does involve time Cozoq says in Westron: what jasumin said Hellflame says in Westron: so just cause there is more fr's than er's so they will win Jasumin says in Westron: The skill argument is silly because the game should be fun for people of all "skill levels" so to speak. Draugluin phases into reality. Tanner says in Westron: altar, not everyone on this gave wants to memorize every huntbreak, some people would rather just cruise around leisurely in moria for example and explore new quests ' Altar, not everyone wants to play this game to PK. The player I know who has been killed 5 times by you guys doesn't even know WHY and doesn't want to be a part of it, but it doesnt' stop you guys. Skill doesn't matter. You say in Westron: Altar, not everyone wants to play this game to PK. The player I know who has been killed 5 times by you guys doesn't even know WHY and doesn't want to be a part of it, but it doesnt' stop you guys. Skill doesn't matter. HP:230 EP:230 > Sizzle looks at Draugluin. Altar says in Westron: look, communicate and cooperate. Jasumin says in Westron: t2t is not just for the elitist powerplwyers Hellflame says in Westron: Its not hard to Jasumin says in Westron: no matter what you think Thuglife says in Westron: I think the vote is skewed Fofester says in Westron: You're fooling yourself if you think it's possible to have a large disparity of 'skill' in this game. Altar says in Westron: thats our "hacks" Tyraeth says in Westron: altar, people shouldn't have to play that way Oakwood says in Westron: it is skill Sigma says in Westron: again, would changing the minimum level that you can engage in ERvFR PvP is 15 Sigma says in Westron: would that help Queenmaeve enters from afar. Oakwood says in Westron: and thats why they have been doing me lately :) Kalas leaves. Cozoq says in Westron: Tanner, same works for ERs who don't want to just sit in harondor all day -- I want to sometimes explore harrowdale without people giving me tells - you've just been commed, heads up ' no You say in Westron: no HP:230 EP:230 > Kalas enters from afar. Thuglife says in Westron: There might be just a little bit more fr's then there are er's here Jasumin says in Westron: No, sigma. Tyraeth says in Westron: you're taking a system and looking for ways to abuse it just so you can indiscriminately kill people Catrin says in Westron: I think a lvl 10 deserves a right to be able to explore without being targetted Fernando says in Westron: no, sigma Kalas says in Westron: no level 10 gets killed, I don't knwo why you guys keep saying that. ' they used to, but not lately You say in Westron: they used to, but not lately HP:230 EP:230 > Drogian says in Westron: okay Sizzle says in Westron: i say no to sigmas Fernando says in Westron: that's retarted, like pk tags Catrin says in Westron: I saw this just the other day Tanner says in Westron: cozoq that's fine, go explore harrowdale, i won't bother you Hellflame says in Westron: wow one person Gurthramar says in Westron: Kalas: Mantis Catrin says in Westron: It does happen Hellflame says in Westron: and brubaker doesnt kill ours? Kalas says in Westron: What? Slugz can do commands, and you cant. ;) HP:230 EP:230 > Drogian smirks at Slugz knowingly. Drogian says in Westron: Question. Spoonster sneaks home. Drogian says in Westron: If an abundance of spreekilling exists, then is the cause of that spreekilling that some people are able to go wanted to easily? Ishdul enters from afar. Drogian says in Westron: If you don't believe there is an abundance of spreekilling, please simply look at me instead. Someone pokes Ishdul in the tummy. Wrekker looks at Drogian. Gurthramar looks at Drogian. Thuglife looks at Drogian. Tanner looks at Drogian. Sza looks at Drogian. Ishdul looks at Drogian. Sigma looks at Drogian. Kaylyne looks at Drogian. Aoulm looks at Drogian. Kalas looks at Drogian. Sizzle looks at Drogian. Altar looks at Drogian. Hellflame looks at Drogian. Draugluin looks at Drogian. Cozoq looks at Drogian. Catrin looks at Drogian. Drogian says in Westron: Otherwise, please give ONE say (initially) with your answer and a brief explanation. Slugz looks at Drogian. Drogian says in Westron: talk Sigma says in Westron: if your going to go wanted, might as well make it worth it Tanner says in Westron: it's a factor, but not the sole reason Tayzer looks at Drogian. Gurthramar says in Westron: Drogian, could you possible enable tells? At the very least? So we can say things to people without spamming up the discussion. Dansk says in Westron: its not that they go wanted too easily, its that they dont care about going wanted, they are protected when they are wanted Kalas says in Westron: No, how can a person pk while wanted? *some SKILL in involved* Borkaz says in Westron: yes Celoril says in Westron: Maybe If they were arrested more often, and were less protected by npc/mordor code, they may not be as willing to spreekill. Tyraeth says in Westron: i would say it's the most contributing factor, yes Jasumin says in Westron: Yes. It's not THE cause, but it's A cause. It defeats the purpose of global lawsys. Inafiate says in Westron: The cause - no, but an aid to the end - yes Fernando says in Westron: there's abundance,, but not the only cause Drogian says in Westron: tells enabled. Rhone says in Westron: yes, but its hate spree killing not overall ER killing sprees or FR killing sprees Fernando says in Westron: Kalas says in Westron: no level 10 gets killed - that's legendinfo deserving. Fofester says in Westron: What Jasumin and Inafiate said. Thuglife says in Westron: what about Kelien, since you keep mentioning mantis Borkaz says in Westron: just remove the whole wanted element. You pkill, you pay a fine (only when the judge wont believe you) Undertow says in Westron: whoever is the invis in this room, can you send me a tell? ive a question for you Balin says in Westron: an ER goes wanted, this does not change anything from the no lawsys Meege enters from afar. Thuglife says in Westron: he was level 10 Sigma says in Westron: ok shut up about the noobs getting killed, it happens on both sides and more than likely yall get so pissed off cause they are your alts Sizzle looks at Meege. Thuglife says in Westron: ask Brubaker about him Kalas says in Westron: 6 maned? Altar says in Westron: Wrekker has something important to say Wrekker says in Westron: The reason people go wanted, is because deaths dont hurt, paying 10k is a waste. Kalas says in Westron: Gurthramar, check your sources. Thuglife says in Westron: lets see who 6 manned someone? ' There is spreekilling by certain players, yes, but not sure if the cause if being able to go wanted easily... You say in Westron: There is spreekilling by certain players, yes, but not sure if the cause if being able to go wanted easily... HP:230 EP:230 > Tyraeth says in Westron: an er drops wanted time in a lawless land Balin says in Westron: if an ER is wanted, it is exactly the same as before with no global lawsys Sizzle says in Westron: Drogian will you enable who? Wrekker says in Westron: If deaths hurt, I would pay fines. Thuglife says in Westron: one person attacked and that was by accident Tyraeth says in Westron: SO stop killing random people, and only kill for those people who deserve to be killed Meege looks at Aoulm. Meege looks at a metal necklace. Fernando says in Westron: it's disgusting how ERs and some Ainu can be hypocritical Undertow leaves. Jasumin says in Westron: You guys really are high on yourselves :p Because you can pk people that somehow equals "skill" Balin says in Westron: death does to hurt wrekker Wrekker says in Westron: I dont like paying 10k for them to profit 5k, why would I pay it? Sigma says in Westron: who are you to decide who deserves to be killed tyraeth Balin says in Westron: a maxed lvl 20 will pay 10k to relevel Borkaz says in Westron: thats slippery, Tyr, since ERs think FRs deserve to be killed and vice versa Jasumin says in Westron: Although the game doesn't even have "skill" so much as knowledge :p Tyraeth says in Westron: a random person you don't know questing a Sturdy armour doesn't deserve to be killed Borgaz enters from afar. Fofester says in Westron: Aye, Jas. Queenmaeve says hauntingly in Westron: I dont think anyone deserves to be killed Balin says in Westron: skill, or scripts? Queenmaeve says hauntingly in Westron: yet you come after me Sizzle leaves. Jasumin says in Westron: No, some people deserve to be killed. ' The problem guys is that a lot of ER's like the PK side of things, and most FR's aren't into that...so all these answers will always be skewed and there will always be this friction/hatred between the two sides. You say in Westron: The problem guys is that a lot of ER's like the PK side of things, and most FR's aren't into that...so all these answers will always be skewed and there will always be this friction/hatred between the two sides. HP:230 EP:230 > Tyraeth says in Westron: i'm not going to go out of my way to pk a random er just because he's an er, i kill those that have harmed me in some way Meege looks at Slugz. Jasumin says in Westron: Definitely. But they're usually not the ones who are killed. Fofester says in Westron: The real problem with PK in this game has always been, in my opinion, that people who don't want to be involved with PK don't have that option. Plain and simple. Kalas leaves. Queenmaeve says hauntingly in Westron: I dont go after anyone, ever Kalas enters from afar. Sizzle enters from afar. Meege looks at Kalas. Kalas looks at Meege. Oakwood leaves. Fytro says Majestically in Westron: i liked that factor that only guilds and legions can pk each other Altar looks at Meege. Sizzle looks at Balin. Sizzle looks at an Official white Ainur Kazoo(tm). Drogian says in Westron: ok Drogian says in Westron: one last question Aoulm says in Westron: Personally. I think killing isn't a probalem. Let ppl Pk, STOP COMPLAING ABOUT ER's PKing YOU! Hell we can't even go past 19 and we kill you. Don't worry about it you have approx. 40more ppl Thuglife says in Westron: I think that is stupid Borkaz says in Westron: you mean a pkill flag, fofe? Tanner says in Westron: that's a good idea, but some people still don't want to be involved in it. can you see VC going to war? HP:230 EP:230 > Drogian says in Westron: and then we'll be done for tonight Drogian says in Westron: Question: ' Hayduke likes hugs, not war No. HP:230 EP:230 > Drogian says in Westron: Out of all issues, everything on the mud, and whatnot. HP:230 EP:230 > Drogian says in Westron: What is the one issue that the Powers should most strongly focus on resolving? Meege looks at Aoulm. Draugluin runs home screaming in a frenzied panic. Drogian says in Westron: And, in the same say please mention what that solution should be, if known. Balin says in Westron: no exp/stat loss for FR/ER conflict HP:230 EP:230 > Balin baps Celoril across the forehead. Meege leaves. Someone says in Westron: with balin Luthien appears out of the corner of your eye. Luthien shakes her head. Drogian says in Westron: talk. Fernando says in Westron: ban aoulm, he's surely retarded Fofester says in Westron: The ability to choose to be involved in PK. Solution: a PK flag with a cooldown (like surnames) for changing. Altar says in Westron: I belive they should focus on eliminating the playability boundaries between FR's and ER's. (For example, open professions, west arda, far harad) Rhone says in Westron: certain individuals that are notorious for pking th same people over and over. a database with nukes, after warning imposed to those that are pking the same people over and over out of pure hate for the individuals Sigma says in Westron: how ineffective the warlord system (approve pet 2201), followed by activity reqs for guilds(reduce activity reqs but not much) Wrekker says in Westron: Make deaths hurt, fixes all problems. Tyraeth says in Westron: wanted time in mordor, make it so it doesn't drop there (and i really do not like that train of thought Balin) Balin agrees with Cozoq wholeheartedly. Borkaz says in Westron: Multiplaying. solution: a 5 minute time lapse between log-ons Jasumin says in Westron: I think we've been talking about it...random pk. In the old days you pretty much could avoid pk by staying under the radar and keeping your head down. Now people want to kill you just because they see you out and about. The only solution I can currently think of is removal of the ER/sFR distinction along with regions etc. Pablo says in Westron: blackhand/udungul multiplaying - nuke them :P Fytro says Majestically in Westron: people getting pked, that doesn't want to get involved in. Make guild and legions that wants to particapate in pk the only ones to go kill to their heart content. Fernando says in Westron: no, forfester Fernando says in Westron: yes, pablo Sigma says in Westron: pablo i am blackhand, i dont multiplay and i dont have an udungle alt Thuglife looks at Pablo. ' Focus the game less on PK by installing some way for it to be controlled. You can't kill more than once every few hours, or something. You say in Westron: Focus the game less on PK by installing some way for it to be controlled. You can't kill more than once every few hours, or something. HP:230 EP:230 > Hellflame says in Westron: There is 1 reason to fix this all Thuglife looks at a metal necklace. Tanner says in Westron: this issue, pk. i'd still like to see why removing pk is a bad idea. and i have to agree with pablo Jasumin says in Westron: Even as someone who doesn't like Pk, I HATE the idea of a pkflag Hellflame says in Westron: so do it and shut up Catrin says in Westron: Yeah I think the time lapse to long in a alt is a good idea Gurthramar leaves. Pablo says in Westron: more than 5 of your legionmates do :P Borkaz says in Westron: logging on alts from the same IP or anything, make a 5 minute time-lapse Fofester says in Westron: When your opinion is desired someone will ask for it, Fernando. Cozoq says in Westron: Open up the world, remove the artificial bounteries, but perhaps limit pk in the areas by opposite "races" there were thematically orcs in west arda, and perhaps somewhat thematically men and the such in far harad Sizzle says in Westron: mping keep an eye on the major players Altar says in Westron: Like someone said, the kills are a result of the disparity between FR and ER Sigma says in Westron: good for them, more than 5 bkd do it too, should they all be nuked Jasumin says in Westron: Because some people deserve to die, Tanner. ' Idea: What if arresting was a 1 on 1 thing, and both sides had a 5-10 minute cooldown period to reheal or whatever. So they can't be hunted by other people, they can't be protected or shielded, etc. You say in Westron: Idea: What if arresting was a 1 on 1 thing, and both sides had a 5-10 minute cooldown period to reheal or whatever. So they can't be hunted by other people, they can't be protected or shielded, etc. HP:230 EP:230 > Autosave. [ Zerka has entered The Two Towers ] Fernando says in Westron: make the game more attractive to incommers, form a new playerbase... more mature ' once cuffs break, its' over You say in Westron: once cuffs break, its' over HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: And pk is another type of interaction that the game needs to thrive. It's just not the ONLY type of interaction Tanner says in Westron: then contract then jasumin Kalas says in Westron: I like that, Kelos Someone says in Westron: Azoetia Cozoq says in Westron: far harad is a vast beautifully coded place that I think all players shouuld be able to enjoy Altar says in Westron: lets remove that. Lets remove scouts. Lets make people not have inherent reasons to kill eachother. Cozoq says in Westron: same with west arda Queenmaeve leaves. Fernando says in Westron: that school kids, like hellflame and kaylyne, are mostly idiots Kaylyne says in Westron: im out of high school, thank you Wrekker says in Westron: Who here goes wanted and doesnt get caught? Draugluin phases into reality. Fernando says in Westron: get a new playerbase Balin fades into the shadows. Jasumin says in Westron: I'm all for that, Altar Thuglife says in Westron: most idiots Balin appears from the shadows. Altar says in Westron: When you type who, and there are free people, and evil people, it polarizes the playerbase Inafiate says in Westron: With the pk issue, I liked the get rid of wanted and just force having to pay.. if your going to pk someone accept it will cost you Tyraeth says in Westron: im all for scout removal :) Fernando says in Westron: i mean from that school work, hobbits project ' I think without all this PK, Cozoq, you could explore more without worry...I would love more RP interaction between us, but it's just not there right now. You say in Westron: I think without all this PK, Cozoq, you could explore more without worry...I would love more RP interaction between us, but it's just not there right now. HP:230 EP:230 > Thuglife says in Westron: lol at fernando Hellflame says in Westron: fernando who are u talking to? Sigma says in Westron: approve petition 2201, thats what this game needs Hellflame says in Westron: I dont think anyone is listening to you Fernando says in Westron: to drogian Altar says in Westron: Like, I see.. ENEMY IN HARONDOR... what does that tell me Tanner says in Westron: i agree with kelos Fernando says in Westron: he asked the question Ishdul leaves. Tanner says in Westron: i'd like to be able to explore er lands more indepth without creating an alt Jasumin says in Westron: Never thought I'd agree with Altar, but I do :p Tyraeth says in Westron: you see someone to kill Sza says in Westron: i by far prefered when we had failkill no global lawsys and patrols Catrin says in Westron: I would like to explore too Cozoq says in Westron: Kelos's idea doesn't sound bad Sizzle says in Westron: no tanner Thuglife says in Westron: I would like to go to bree Luthien says in Westron: I like Kelos' suggestion. ' the arresting idea? Catrin says in Westron: haha You say in Westron: the arresting idea? HP:230 EP:230 > Tyraeth says in Westron: why do you go into free lands to pk then? you have no reason to do so Fernando says in Westron: sza, you must be kidding Tanner says in Westron: if you're going to say no, follow it up with a reason. Fernando says in Westron: that would be mud's death sentence Altar says in Westron: Because we are evil, and they are free Tanner says in Westron: don't just sit on your thumb and say "no" Borkaz says in Westron: anyone against a time-lapse between log-ons when you want to switch to an alt? Rhone says in Westron: yeah it isn't bad, if the cuffs break then its over and you wind up away from each other Celoril says in Westron: ughh, please, no patrols ever :P Kalas leaves. Tanner says in Westron: borkaz: good idea too Kalas enters from afar. Draugluin says in Westron: I am. Kaylyne leaves. Sizzle says in Westron: you can't get rid of the homebase if the enemy were allowed in there there would be no place to be safe Catrin says in Westron: I'm not against it Borkaz Sigma says in Westron: yes Fofester says in Westron: Borkaz: Agreed. Altar says in Westron: The playerbase is polarized :P We need to remove that. Luthien says in Westron: I am as well. ' I wouldn't care if someone sat in Mordor wanted, if I knew I could go into there solo and cuff someone solo, and fight them to the end without worrying about backup. You say in Westron: I wouldn't care if someone sat in Mordor wanted, if I knew I could go into there solo and cuff someone solo, and fight them to the end without worrying about backup. HP:230 EP:230 > Wrekker looks at Luthien. Slugz says in Westron: I agree with what altar and jasumin said Fofester says in Westron: This game has always been polarized: PK vs Non-PK [ Tiresias has entered The Two Towers ] Grick says with a drawl in Westron: i think there should be no stat lose from ER/FR death and that attacking an enemy in your region shouldn't be reportable Borkaz says in Westron: may I ask why, draug? Tyraeth says in Westron: it's not polarized so much anymore Draugluin says in Westron: Borkaz, that is. But only because I don't believe we could do it well enough to warrant it. Sigma says in Westron: i do that a lot, log on, read a board, log off, log on an alt, read the board, log off, log on again, etc ' Maybe I'll petition is You say in Westron: Maybe I'll petition is HP:230 EP:230 > Fofester says in Westron: And there's no one thing that can be changed to fix that. Tanner says in Westron: yeah but sizzle if there was no pk then it wouldn't matter, it would simply be safe. Jasumin says in Westron: But again, Fofester that's not true Hellflame says in Westron: everytime we get on a topic, we talk about something else Kalas leaves. Kalas enters from afar. Tyraeth says in Westron: you just choose to make it that way by dumbing it down to 'they are free, we are evil' Fernando says in Westron: Idea: remove that 'arrest' stuff: if you commit a crime, you pay, if you don't have gold you are tortured. Tanner says in Westron: you see me in kadar, you go, "oh hi." and go about your business and i go about mine. Rhone says in Westron: good idea with the time lapse but all you would have to do is reboot your broadband conenctino you get a different ip each time you restart and it doesn't take too long. Kalas says in Westron: I can't leave. Fofester says in Westron: Which part, Jas? Jasumin says in Westron: you could keep your head down...keep your mouth shut, and avoid being pked for the most part (unless you had ultra bad-ass uniques :P) Borkaz says in Westron: thanks, Draug. But I do think it would solve alot of frustrations. Fernando says in Westron: remove 'wanted' Draugluin says in Westron: Schools and lans (large or small) are a major issue, and so is the fact that we can't really be sure we're stopping anyone from getting around it, borkaz. Thuglife says in Westron: Fernando that was really stupid Sizzle says in Westron: true but what would we do all the time? and why would it matter if you explored er lands? Fofester says in Westron: See, even that wasn't so much true Jas. Sza leaves. Zerka enters from afar. Jasumin says in Westron: But it was...you might get pked like once every 3 months Sizzle says in Westron: then there would be no boundaries and no point for evils to exist Jasumin says in Westron: if you didn't piss anyone off Fernando says in Westron: by tortute i mean lose stats l Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Zerka Nrquinga the sindar Drunken Wench Kalas the dunedain Archmage (Demonic) A gold and silver statue of Balin. Draugluin: Power of Administration Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Borgaz Nrquinga the silvan Deadly Shot (Angelic) Hellflame the uruk-hai Shadow Thuglife the PWNER the uruk-hai Lurker Altar the uruk-hai Shadow Sigma Nu the uruk-hai Mage of Darkness Jasumin the dunedain Butcher (Moral) Wrekker the uruk-hai Nemesis Pablo Escobar the dunlending Warlord (Moral) Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Aoulm the variag Bloodhound Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! Cozoq the numenorean Mage of Darkness Fernando Malvadeza the eorling Master Thief (Angelic) Rhone Devinwood the dunedain Guide (Angelic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight Fofester Ciryamo the dunedain Archmage (Angelic) Catrin Ruazair the dunedain Gypsy Rose Lee Slugz the dunedain Deathmaster (Impartial) Luthien Tinuviel HP:230 EP:230 > Sigma says in Westron: you seem to forget that ERs are at WAR with the FRs Tanner says in Westron: err, because there are more quests for both sides. it would open up a larger quest base, and allow the administration to focus more on coding quests possibly too Aoulm says in Westron: I'm going to say one last thing before I've had enough tells bitching about my play prefrence. Long live Dighi and Tomasis Peace. Fofester says in Westron: I was in VC for 3 days, not at war, before I was killed by someone I'd never seen before. Granted, joining guilds is a whole different ballgame, but nevertheless that seems wrong to me. Luthien wanders back to the island of Tol Galen. [ Valacirca ] Crusaderr: so what's this meeting solving anyway? Kalas suddenly shimmers and fades away. Aoulm leaves. Celoril says in Westron: Is there a reason to let people go wanted for 24 hours to avoid fines? Luthien enters from afar. $ not sure yet Fofester says in Westron: Sigma, this is a GAME. No. HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: Well, people will have their own prejudices against certain guilds Jasumin says in Westron: but you're free not to announce that you're in VC Fofester says in Westron: Just because the coders have decided to put two opposing factions in doesn't mean everyone wants to be involved in that. Borkaz says in Westron: hehe Kalas enters from afar. Kalas leaves. Tanner says in Westron: fofester is exactly right ' We aren't fre Jasumin, we have our guild info public You say in Westron: We aren't fre Jasumin, we have our guild info public HP:230 EP:230 > Kalas enters from afar. Sizzle says in Westron: so no pking and no enemies? Pablo leaves. Tanner says in Westron: most people on here think of it as a game, they just cruise around and play to relax ' pk-ing is fine You say in Westron: pk-ing is fine HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: You can still individually make yours hidden Tyraeth says in Westron: exactly, the polarization is player enforced and doesn't have to be that way Tanner says in Westron: it's not a life or death struggle that some of you think it is Tanner says in Westron: sizzle: correct Altar says in Westron: And fofester, that is why the polarization shouldnt be mandatory Jasumin says in Westron: That's the way the system works Sizzle says in Westron: not everyone wants that though Kaylyne enters from afar. ' without going nuts with it, or killing people just learning the game. Just because someone is level 18 doesn't mean they want to be into PK or deserve to be killed 5 times for no reason. You say in Westron: without going nuts with it, or killing people just learning the game. Just because someone is level 18 doesn't mean they want to be into PK or deserve to be killed 5 times for no reason. HP:230 EP:230 > Thuglife says in Westron: how do you qualify as needing to be pk'd Jasumin says in Westron: Agreed...but if that were the case, Altar, would you be randomly pking as much as you have been? Fofester says in Westron: That won't stop people from finding out Jas :P Jasumin says in Westron: True, Fofester Catrin says in Westron: What about a area just for battling, those who want to take part go there? Draugluin runs home screaming in a frenzied panic. Jasumin says in Westron: but then they have to do some research shake catrin Fofester says in Westron: Especially back when guild wars happened a lot. That stuff isn't quite as much an issue now as ER vs FR. No. HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: not just legend you and see it Tyraeth says in Westron: thuglife: having done something to somebody to deserve a death, ie badmouthing, stealing, pking, etc Sizzle looks at Grick. Jasumin says in Westron: corpse-looting ' also being in a guild is part of that...if one is your enemy, then you automatically are enemies You say in Westron: also being in a guild is part of that...if one is your enemy, then you automatically are enemies HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: quest-stealing Altar says in Westron: I think to counter the wanted problem, wanted time should only decrease on the grid. Readily accessable areas to everyone Tyraeth says in Westron: that falls under etc :) Jasumin says in Westron: attacking a friend Borkaz says in Westron: solution: a pkill flag (if you want to change it, it will take like 2rl hours?)? or something like this? Jasumin says in Westron: etc. Tyraeth says in Westron: that's a good start, altar Thuglife says in Westron: agrees with altar Jasumin says in Westron: No pk flags Fernando says in Westron: mwahaha, my idea can fix it all: fuck with the 'wanted' system, get rid of it: if you commit a crime you're given a time to pay after you're found guilty, if you don't pay 3 big npcs will find you and drag you to jail, where you'll be tortured and lose stats/skills according with the fine's amount Grick says with a drawl in Westron: i like altars idea Jasumin says in Westron: pk flags suck Borkaz says in Westron: so everyone can state: I want to pkill/be pkilled or not Fofester says in Westron: I personally like the idea of a pk flag with a multi-day long cooldown, much like surnames, serving, etc uses now. heh No. HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: Say I want Fofester dead Cozoq says in Westron: Alters is good start Jasumin says in Westron: I should be able to kill him :p Fernando says in Westron: pk flag will kill the game Fofester says in Westron: :'( Jasumin says in Westron: but take a penalty for it Luthien says in Westron: Reduce pk by cracking down on wanted people. I've been wanted people sit out their 24 just because they had 5 others with them on both ER and FR sides. Kelos' idea is good for that. Sigma says in Westron: what about making the pk tag like namechange, you start out default as non killable, you go to bd tower or ghavens or whatever, and switch to targetable, you cant attack some one unless you are targetable, but they can still target you but the attacker is forced to use merciful, once you become targetable you cannot switch back Cozoq says in Westron: and no pk flag Tanner says in Westron: pk flag would not kill the game at all Celoril says in Westron: sigma, no pk flag :P Altar says in Westron: pk flag is awful Tyraeth says in Westron: pk flag is terrible Fernando says in Westron: sigma, that was really retarted ' I'll just petition that idea, the solo arrest You say in Westron: I'll just petition that idea, the solo arrest HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: pk flag is horribly lame Fernando says in Westron: i have to agree with altar Jasumin says in Westron: And believe me, I'm anti-pk Luthien says in Westron: *seen even. Jasumin says in Westron: I really am Celoril says in Westron: I'm not a pk'er, I don't involve myself in pk, and even I don't want a pk flag ' i don't like pk flag either You say in Westron: i don't like pk flag either HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: but It's just...no. Cozoq tells you: yeah, i do like that idea Thuglife says in Westron: we know jasumin Borkaz says in Westron: hehe Rhone says in Westron: i like sigmas idea Sigma says in Westron: think about it for a second fofester Fytro says Majestically in Westron: legions vs guilds solves everything Altar says in Westron: all I can say, is if I have Fernando, Cozoq, and Jasumin agreeing with me, you need to listen up :P Tanner says in Westron: once again you people say "no" but don't say why you think it's a bad idea tell cozoq cool You tell Cozoq: cool HP:230 EP:230 > Fernando says in Westron: kelos idea is good, but mine is better ' heh You say in Westron: heh HP:230 EP:230 > Sigma says in Westron: you dont absorb what is said, you look at words and spit out a responce ' I do like yours a bit :) You say in Westron: I do like yours a bit :) HP:230 EP:230 > Celoril says in Westron: fytro - it doesn't solve people that need to be killed who aren't in a legion or guild Fytro says Majestically in Westron: sigh though no one likes it either Fernando says in Westron: no pk flag! l Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Kaylyne the uruk-hai Shadow Kalas the dunedain Archmage (Demonic) Luthien Tinuviel Zerka Nrquinga the sindar Drunken Wench A gold and silver statue of Balin. Sizzle Morvarar the numenorean Stalker Borgaz Nrquinga the silvan Deadly Shot (Angelic) Hellflame the uruk-hai Shadow Thuglife the PWNER the uruk-hai Lurker Altar the uruk-hai Shadow Sigma Nu the uruk-hai Mage of Darkness Jasumin the dunedain Butcher (Moral) Wrekker the uruk-hai Nemesis Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Tyraeth Estoso, the dunedain Crime Lord (Heroic) Borkaz of Cuiviénen the sindar Ithron (Hand of Thingol) Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Celoril Tarar the sindar Enchanter (Angelic) Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! Cozoq the numenorean Mage of Darkness Fernando Malvadeza the eorling Master Thief (Angelic) Rhone Devinwood the dunedain Guide (Angelic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight Fofester Ciryamo the dunedain Archmage (Angelic) Catrin Ruazair the dunedain Gypsy Rose Lee Slugz the dunedain Deathmaster (Impartial) HP:230 EP:230 > Wormbaneii says in Westron: minimum logon times for wanted ppl Luthien nods at Fernando. Jasumin says in Westron: I know! Kaylyne leaves. Jasumin says in Westron: Why not a no-death flag Fytro says Majestically in Westron: im saying jsut let legions and guild kill everyone else is off limits Altar says in Westron: Worm, take it from me, that wouldnt make any difference Borkaz leaves. Jasumin says in Westron: If you have the no-death flag on you don't die at al! Celoril says in Westron: and it'd just force the ainu to punish people and be move involved in judgement calls than they need be ' Wrekker...you don't think you guys have been spreekilling? If not, what would you call it? You say in Westron: Wrekker...you don't think you guys have been spreekilling? If not, what would you call it? HP:230 EP:230 > Fytro says Majestically in Westron: and only guild that wants to particapte in it Rhone says in Westron: you must go to a pk trainer rigth sigma and once you do it there is no turning back? [ Valacirca ] Borkaz: bywater! Wormbaneii says in Westron: why is that altar? Borgaz says in Westron: Haven't all your idea's been petitioned already? And either shot down by the playerbase or by the Ainur? Sigma says in Westron: instead of 24 hours of wanted, you have a month to pay your fines or you are automatically arrested, Fytro says Majestically in Westron: cause there are some guilds that are more into exploring and questing Sizzle leaves. [ Valacirca ] Borkaz: be well, friend. I am off. Altar says in Westron: Because when we're cooperating, you guys can do nothing to us. Period. Cozoq says in Westron: wanted people aren't logging off every 5 minutes right now worm, they're staying on quite a bit before logging off Tyraeth says in Westron: give me a break Celoril says in Westron: My suggestion: Define spree killing, put it in a help file, if someone breaks the rule warn/nuke them Drogian says in Westron: Alright, thanks everyone Wormbaneii says in Westron: not always Jasumin says in Westron: that's not true Altar Drogian says in Westron: I think we covered a lot here Thuglife says in Westron: then come do something Drogian says in Westron: And I have a lot of buffer-reading to do. Jasumin says in Westron: By the time we get enough people organized Rhone says in Westron: celoril has a point as well. ' I agree with that Altar somewhat...you guys are very organized... You say in Westron: I agree with that Altar somewhat...you guys are very organized... HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: your wanted person logs off :P Jasumin says in Westron: just as we're getting there Tyraeth says in Westron: when they try to do something alts tell them to log off and get on the nonwanted alt and go pking Tanner says in Westron: that's because they're all like minded kelos ' yes Jasumin says in Westron: It's like oh shit there's a 20 man group coming after me :P You say in Westron: yes HP:230 EP:230 > Jasumin says in Westron: and they log off Drogian says in Westron: ok so Sigma says in Westron: biggest problem is the warlord system in its current state is obsolete, not these stupid spreekillers Rhone leaves. Fernando says in Westron: ok, sigma Fernando says in Westron: enough Drogian says in Westron: you're all welcome to continue this on the comm or in the game somewhere. I suggest you all meet inside BD :) HP:230 EP:230 > Tyraeth says in Westron: warlord system isn't something that affects all players of the mud to some degree ' heh Drogian You say in Westron: heh Drogian HP:230 EP:230 > Luthien snickers at Drogian insanely. Drogian says in Westron: for now.... this meeting is adjourned! Jasumin says in Westron: can't we chat right here, Drogian? :p Catrin says in Westron: haha Tyraeth leaves. Celoril leaves. Wrekker leaves. Drogian says in Westron: you may 'leave' anytime. Luthien slowly fades into the background and disappears. l Meet here. Agenda: 1) Are ERs able to go wanted too easily? 2) Are we currently experiencing an abundance of spreekilling, and if so, what should be done? You can type: - leave Slugz the dunedain Deathmaster (Impartial) Catrin Ruazair the dunedain Gypsy Rose Lee Fofester Ciryamo the dunedain Archmage (Angelic) Grick Smash'em'good the olog-hai Fell Knight Fernando Malvadeza the eorling Master Thief (Angelic) Cozoq the numenorean Mage of Darkness Drogian misses about half the tells sent to him. Re-tell! Fytro the dwarf Man-at-Arms (Angelic) Mikah the sindar Enchantress (Angelic) Dansk the silvan Con Artist (Moral) Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Conservationist Inafiate Entil'Zha the dunedain Formenelenidur Tayzer the uruk-hai Burnt One Tanner the dunedain Warlord (Impartial) Jasumin the dunedain Butcher (Moral) Sigma Nu the uruk-hai Mage of Darkness Altar the uruk-hai Shadow Thuglife the PWNER the uruk-hai Lurker Hellflame the uruk-hai Shadow Borgaz Nrquinga the silvan Deadly Shot (Angelic) A gold and silver statue of Balin. Zerka Nrquinga the sindar Drunken Wench Kalas the dunedain Archmage (Demonic) HP:230 EP:230 > leave Catrin leaves. Bye.