I guess the only way to prove it, is to test it ourselves.
On both rounds Micrus did more DPS than me. I only won round 1 coz charge really hurts. Ive played an archer before and learned the prof well from a good friend who really knows. And contrary to what most people believe, I really still think Archer is one of the best profs in the game. Great damage, plus they are better in FFing on a target than any prof in the game.
They weren't nerfed :).
I haven't had much experience with archers in the past few years, been on a few PKs with them where they missed pretty much every important shot, even with storm bow. But shortly after they first came out they were demons from hell, man! I remember being a maxxed warrior with 60 deflecting and going from 230 - 0 in about 3 rounds from a kickback/muiltiknock combo that Vixen shot at me. Guess they got a little nerfed...
Only if the archer is leading the party. Since archers are utterly annihilated by encumberance, they cannot be gold bitch... And they're really not very good at golding solo.
Wrong, Vermond. The only way archers can use protect is doing damage to protected npcs, as arrows go through protect. But in no way do they make npcs focus on whoever is protecting you instead. Archers are golding machines in a party as they eat damage but have the best of both worlds. Using a bow on npcs without shields destroys them, and having a sword handy with trained tactics on npcs with shields is just fine as well.
hmm... right :P
She would never get hit in a party because arrows make the npc focus on the other party members :)
Well I know that archers at least kickass when golding with another person. Nyx would never get hit, and be at good shape after 3 scouts. And well, obviously civilians aren't better, or thieves at that, since archers could just take out a sword if they wanted and they still have some bonuses :)
the combat bonus archers receive art based on thurr deflectin' skill and thurr usage of shields
which is why you, taurion, are not a pker sir!
I've personally loaded a multi-nock with 2 dark arrows, with a second multi-nocked pair on deck that resulted in a successfull kickback, 2 dark arrows fired, and time gained for the second pair to fly before any response from the target. That's how I came to realize that multi-nocking 2 at a time was, mathematically speaking, a waste of possible effect. Either two arrows hit, the first hit but the second did not, the second of two hit but the first did not, or both missed completely. As the effects do not compound, all possibilities while firing 2 dark arrows at a time waste at least one of the possible chances to drop a target for around or two.
The dodge benefit gained as far as I've been able to decern, came when less than heavily encumbered, and/or not shielding someone who has trained up blocking.
Having played an archer for a little over a year, I can say without hesitation that archers are the worst golding profession in the game. Civvies are better at golding than archers are.
On my maxxed archer I would often be double multinocked, trigger to kickback... and when I kickback, I'll miss with at least 2, usually 3 of my arrows (I usually use handcrafted fletched with 100 fletching and a knife... and dark arrows if in a PK).
Supposedly archers get a dodge bonus or something while wielding a bow. I don't believe it - I certainly don't feel it.
Pretty much, archers get their kickback/double multinock, and they've got stormy. Other than that, they suck in a big way.
I would say that a archer played correct is one of the most deadly shit in a pk. Goldin and stuff is probely allright, but seeing as they use pretty much ep and annoying arrow crap to make optimal dmg, they are probely a class that is the hardest to play for a longer amount of time.
Also you're not taking into account armour at any point there, archers seem to be better against armour than an assassin.
I did test it, and it was because it was a reused arrow knowing how you dont always get to daze the target on first shot. Now unless theres been a change and allow it now cause I tested it late 2003. You can multinock but it'll only shoot 1 arrow at a time with something amiss message.
I really haven't seen what an archer can do to Balforth and his whelps :( I've seen what I can do other things tho :p And no, there's more than 4 dark arrows. There should be 6 in game, or so? You can get them in another place as well. Clawed arrows aren't that good either.
By: Samson:
do sling bow,multinock,wield bow,nock arrow,draw bow,multinock,trigger XXX todo kickback XXX
There is no need to remove a bow and then rewield it in order to multinock.
By: Samson
The above with Stormy and 6 dark arrows = mmmmmmm:)
There are only 4 dark arrows gained from slaying orc sniffers in the game at any time.
By: Nildnab
Last I tested, you cant multinock dark arrows.
Off hand I'd say you've never tested that, and secondly the effects of dark arrows don't compound so why waste the chance of knocking an enemy out in a future round?
By: Nyx
was either poorly prepared or had no damn idea how to use archers :p
It is with great love that I say I'd hate to agree with you, but I must as you've seen first hand what an archer can do to Balforth and his whelps. xxxooo
By: Rekthorne
Archers are bullshit.
HAH!
If only because they were added hastily in order to complete the 'great reprocussionless PK endeavor' known as the ER without regarding the need for a complete revamp of how combat is currently 'toe to toe' coded. Even with this abborant lack of forethought archers if played as such can, do, and should mow through most any foe.
Stormy and powdered arrows raped me once. Four rounds, I think, and I even blocked a shot with my shield.
Yeah exactly, a good archer rapes almost anything.
*agrees with Nyx* I once did 210 hp in 3 rounds with Stormer, I can't remeber the arrows though.
Whoever lost as an archer against any prof but maybe warrior was either poorly prepared or had no damn idea how to use archers :p And I'm excluding weapons like stormer or mels from the picture, as I've dealt 200hp in two rounds with stormer in the past, and mels is a good weapon as well.
Last I tested, you cant multinock dark arrows.
do sling bow,multinock,wield bow,nock arrow,draw bow,multinock,trigger XXX todo kickback XXX
The above with Stormy and 6 dark arrows = mmmmmmm:)
No multinocking either?
Oh, I had 30 blocking during those spars, no tactics though.
So if the assassin had blocking and tactics, why didn't the archer?
MELS is one hell of a spar weapon.
4 shalt thou not count, noeither count thou 2, excepting that thou then proceed to 3.
And Kubby, the assassin didn't stab in any of the trials there. Take away his blocking/tactics and give him a stab and he (still) wins for sure.
Thou shall not count 4..
Archer should've gotten better arrows. :p
I was a maxed out archer with stormie and clawed arrows and lost against MELS twice using all my ep, I lost both when I allowed the stab and not. Archers are bullshit. Bring back Sheriffs!
yeah, plus Assassin has blocking/tactics, something micrus doesn't.
Last round, he might have won if you had mels also, got alot better hits in.