So I attempt Kelvera with Caleb. He huntbreaks us in an inn. So I just give up and go golding. I find him in linhir and I'm like alright lets try a backhunt. What ensues is the storm getting manhandled and denied at every turn:) Great kill, good fun.
Note to self: jump on every bandwagon possible.
Note to self: Never pull a sword on Exley near a pile of crates.
Note to self: Never CHEAT while playing a board game with Shardik.
note to self: Never play board games with shardik.
remind me to never play a board game with shardik :P
Phrosen, I'm just talking about the classic movie scenario. I imagine if someone pulled out a sword on me, I would be close to a stack of easily-tipable crates.
One time I was playing Monopoly with a kid I didn't like. It started with him grabbing a fistful of $500's and it ended with me smashing his face into the floor till he let them go. I still have the bloodsoaked Monopoly board. Ah, memories.
But where would you get those crates, Exley?
I think the problem is most people do not understand the BIG difference between being a cunt and roleplaying a cunt.
It's very against the rules! At the very least it's unethical.
To Arawn: That's exactly what I'm saying. If it's not a stated rule that I can't grab a fistful of $500, then why not? If quitting were against the rules, then yeah, I could understand why you would be against the action of HBing then quitting.
To Exley: Because I'm not a PKer, I'm MUCH more in favor of the latter statement, that is, using every dirty, underhanded trick to get away. That's what being on defense is about. If you're not using every tactic to get away, then I don't think that you've really evaluated your options for escape.
Tiamat, it's a matter of integrity. If you're getting beat, take your lumps, but whatever you do don't fucking quit. Also, when I play the game, I try to keep it as 'real' as possible. In a real life situation, if some asshole were chasing me with a sword, I could push some crates over on top of him and get away, but I couldn't 'quit' and magically disappear.
Then again, if some asshole were chasing me with a sword, I would use every dirty, under-handed thing I could think of to beat him or get away. I can see both sides of the argument.
If you're playing Monopoly and you steal a fist-full of $500 notes when nobody is looking, what harm is done? So long as you achieve the goal of winning the game, who cares?
Polk: yeah, personally, I don't mind if other people call me a dumbfuck or whatever for quitting. I mean, really, in all practicality, I think that as long as you escape the attempt, either by quitting, or HBing or whatever, if you meet the goal of not dieing, why should it matter how you did it?
PKers who fail to get you will ALWAYS come up with something to call you, to assuage their bruised egos. It's best to just put them on ignore for a day afterward. That'll also spare you from those 'OMG U bettar not report blah blah blah' tells.
Sure Tiamat, you can do whatever you like after breaking. And other people can call you a dumbfuck loser for quitting.
I'd say Juggalo IS the best player.
Ermmmm uhhhh. Shoot the american, how did you conclude that from what I said? I said you couldn't enter in a firefight, like you can't enter into a building while fighting or in a shoot out.
anyways there are tons of breaks that you cant beat, infact there atleast one in almost every town
lament i believe your wrong, im pretty sure if an america was standing in front of the american embassy in...well it doesnt matter...waving around his passport, screaming wildly because there are people shooting at him, im pretty sure it would be quite a scandal for the guards to start shooting at him instead of his assallents...so sure make guilds raidable, but take out the cost of buying npcs for the guild, and make entering a guild uninvited the same as knocking on gates 8 years ago, that might be cool
But what kills are you referring to , are they posted or just logs he sent to you? I'm asking seriously. I haven't talked to Juggs in along time, let alone mudded with him in years.
I guess that makes Juggalo the best player this mud has ever seen now doesn't it.
I'm not sure what you are replying to, but many of the kills from Juggalo disproves your point.
Oh and to comment on Jaron from a few comments down or another log. Along time ago when I first suicided alot of people said I was the pwn. Yet, an old friend/killer said this. I was good simply because I killed random targets. People that WEREN'T expecting an attack. This is true. It is ten times harder to kill someone waiting for an attack than it is to kill someone random or for a contract. Now this leads to my point. Jaron I'm all for stalking and watching a prey, I love that in the pk system. But you just can't do that in war. People either don't leave, or don't go very far or don't go below a certain hp point. I have alot of patience, but I don't have enough patience for people that run their mouths as they sit at linhir signpost and gold in south gondor with a mapper to gh. In war it's not about gold/items or who wins. As Dravin said it's all about standing over the corpse and laughing your ass off.
It really has nothing to do with skill, or even stupidity. It's about said target using a feature that you can't beat. IE disconnecting, quitting, inn breaking. Etc etc. I'm a firm believer of freedom. I think all inns should be raidable. As in gh's. I don't think any of this should be easy but it should be possible. Or make them non enterable in combat. I mean seriously, The world embassies don't allow you to entire in a fire fight. Neither do inns allow raskals into the inn while there is a fight going on. Thats just my ten cents. (Yes, I think it's worth more than most your opinions) heehee
I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was a publicy available log, I believe only a few people have copies of it, and the character involved doesn't even exist. Though I don't think you care as much about your alt info as you care about getting me in trouble, else you would have refrained from posting your last few comments (Not that it matters). It appears you have moved from complete denial to passive acceptance of the log's authenticity now, which is an improvement.
Oh and I guess quitting in combat is ok in your book while quitting after breaking is sooooo lame. I'd say 'pot calling the kettle black', but it's even worse in this case.
'[new] Date: 11. Jul, 2007, 6:13:33 By: Kelos Remove
'Besides, quitting in combat wasn't the topic, it was breaking then quitting.'
bwahahahahahahahaha'
I concur.
...scarily close. Like, really, distressingly scarily close.
Yeah, just swap names for each diffrent mud party
As a side note, I can picture how this MUD party was. A dimly lit, smoke-filled room. Some old school PKers sitting in a corner, puffing on tobacco pipes. Grimscar taking young Tireless to the side, putting a hand on his shoulder then saying, 'Son, if someone stabs you and you're right below an inn, they fully deserve an inn-break and report for sheer stupidity.' Then he walks off, whistling a tune and flipping a coin up in the air while the sound of pool-balls can be heard from another room.
Come on, was I close?
'Besides, quitting in combat wasn't the topic, it was breaking then quitting.'
bwahahahahahahahaha
You guys actually talk about the MUD at those parties? Shit, don't you get enough of that ON the game? :P
(I think it was Grimscar who told me that when I attended his mudparty last summer)
Tiamat: The objectionable practice is do break, quit - breaking but not in such a way that you could get away.
With regards to innbreaking, as I understand it, the stigma lies in running _away_ from huntbreaks _to_ an inn when the huntbreaks are right there and you have to run a long distance to the inn - ie running from osgiliath west signpost to caravan to break, or from lothlorien to combe inn or something.
A PKer who has been around MUCH longer than me and whom I consider an authority on PKing told me some time ago that if someone stabs you and you're right below an inn, they fully deserve an inn-break and report for sheer stupidity.
What's wrong with breaking then quitting? Shit, if it was me, I'd break, then report, then quit...but that's me.
wait back up. i thought you didn't care about this game :P
I don't see how that's alt info at all, but ok!
rotfl
That's mp alt info, Jaron. I hope Vermond gives you a warning for that, since he is quite strict and has given me plenty.
Besides, quitting in combat wasn't the topic, it was breaking then quitting.
What is so bad about quitting after a HB? Even if you are a PKer, you have the right to do whatever you want after you huntbreak and I believe that any type of 'honor' between PKers is abandoned as soon as you decide to stalk someone then stab them in the back. Those are my thoughts.
going back to what was said about guild/inn breaks being noobish, ive always felt that its far more noobish to attack some one in a place where they could inn/guild break, and even more noobish to die in a place where you could have inn/guild broke
I can think of a time when Kaylyne quit in combat, I think Pablo and Aduial would remember!
I didn't edit anything. That's all I'll say on this matter. No one has room to comment on what I accomplished by myself, because no one has been in a remotely similar scenario for ages.
You're saying he editted it out to make himself look big? Damn thats harsh.
He's done it several times on various chars.
Exhalev quit once after breaking; doing something once and 'doing it' are different. Saying 'Exhalev quits after breaking' conveys the idea that he does it repeatably. The one time that he did it it was after successfully breaking a... what was it, 5 man? 7 man? 3 times.
Ah OK.
Poison sure does a lot of damage
Well Kelos, I can't think of a time where I have quit after a huntbreak. But if an opportunity to do it arises, I probably would do it. If you did enough work to cleverly, or even not so cleverly break your attacker, then what you do after that is up to you. I'm not saying anything bad against it, I'm just pointing out that his boy does it as well.
I dunno Kaylyne, do you see room in there for him to join you?
I have no fucking clue what you said. But as your brother pointed out. I shouldn't of fucked with you knowing poison was how it was. I should of healed waited and went back. *rolls Get him to translate your talking for me please.
When did he quit after HBing?
Exhalev quits after huntbreaks. Are you going to throw him in the lot of idiots?
The thing about inn-breaking is that it shows no skill, and isn't fun; for now, at least, I don't want anything to do with PK; if people attack me, and inn is closer than HB, I'll inn-break. But you ARE PKing, and it's just an unspoken rule.
Could have had your mates come stab you? You told that assassin to stab hime like 4 times, but he never did.
Oh and i found you in linhir, not you me:P
Nah man, what for i'm supposed to use a huntbreak and show you which i knows when i have inn within same number of rooms? I don't know about you but i don't care about opinion of ravathir who have to post a log when he succeed to do huntbreak. And so far i quitted once, in sts. And i could go call my guildmates and pwn you with them, figure could have stabbed you if i would be in danger. I could drink ulmo which i carried with myself. But i didn't, same as you didn't waited for poison to get off, healed to max bla bla bla.
And here I thought we were having intellectual tells prior to this.
Ah here we go let the shit talking begin. Thats the difference between us Kelevra. I tossed you like an idiot but instead of camoing in my inn and running to my guild to hide while poison ran out. I stood and tried to take you out. If you wanna get technical, without your little friend there shit might of been different I would of made the hb. Rehealed and came back for some more with the orome I just snagged. But hey we all can't be badass players. Guess I'm just going to have to throw you in the lot with the rest of the idiots who think quitting after a huntbreak is ok now too.
And stop saying inn/guild break is something noobish. If i got inn/guild close to place where i'm attacked i will use it. I will use the simplest break what i can and won't risk my life to show them huntbreaks about which then haven't even dreamed.
client would be to slow.
hell you could just make more than one trigger and have on for bota, one for vials, and one for phials, it really wouldnt be that hard
It can be hard to guess which healing to trigger but at the least you should have included the 'a' eg -trigger ^Baklen drops a$* todo get all into pack- would constantly pickup whatever healing you had i think, even if he hadn't seen through your emote. A better way is to drop an arrow or something small before hand (arrows make it a 'drops an' command just incase they tried to be clever) but your still risking a player guessing what flask your using and grabbing it anyway. There again most people like botas because of the lack of delay before healing so next time use some orc brews for style points :)
Well most people I've seen just use drops. Worked the first time, the assassin was smart enough to change it I guess.
People really have to stop dropping healing! Or at least emote the full sentence. Kinda reminds me of old auction steals when people would spam 40: picks up and still be puzzled when they lost the item.
Great read though, because you posted it i thought he'd fall just before you did :)
When I asked Kelevra he said he only had a tactics potion. Well I manhandle warriors. So I'm thinking that poison not only effects hp but it must effect combat too. If not then that boy is lieing cause You saw the log a couple down. He couldn't touch me with globe and now he destroyed me. Good stuff though, that previous log kinda led to this. I was like I'll take him with globe HAR HAR HAR, guess not, good stuff Kelevra:)
Damn this was close.