those were the days...
[new] Date: 03. Dec, 2007, 5:06:49 By: Tiamat
Holy shit this bring back memories! BPs was the most fun I've ever had on the MUD. Even when FRs had all of the ER lands in green, it was still fun trying to win them back!
That, sir, is because you had an armoury 6 rooms away from the most critical battlepoint and so close to 3 others (all but 1 in your lands) that you could tt quickly and alias to your armoury no matter how many enemies were hunting you, you could still reach safety.
After Rohan's charge turned the tide of the battle and the orcs began their retreat, they stopped when the black fleet appeared. They then turned around and fought again with raised morale before realizing it was not their allies come to help.
No because IT'S A MADE UP FANTASY BOOK.
But you didn't see them killing eachother, did you? That's what I was getting at.
They weren't united the way Gondor and Rohan were. The orcs didn't give a flying fuck if the other orcs die, or how many of them at all, except for statistics.
Don't mistake evil for anarchy, Sauron would have had law within his ranks. The evil races did fight among themselves, but not on the Pelennor and not going to war. Isn't Shagrat in Mordor wanted by the Nazgul for his part in the infighting when Frodo was captured? As far as the game's concerned. Infighting did happen, but overall, Sauron's legions were united on the battlefield, much like Rohan and Gondor was.
I just looked at battlepoints as a chore that I had to do to actually play the game. Because ERs always had them when I logged on.
Holy shit this bring back memories! BPs was the most fun I've ever had on the MUD. Even when FRs had all of the ER lands in green, it was still fun trying to win them back!
<3 Arawn!
Also, I'm never commenting with another character again until you all sign a petition to have my bullshit nuke reversed! And I'll rate every single log a 1! From this point on.
Listen to this Duncan mother fucker. Philosphy via Tolkien :P
Arawn for president!
Tash, I didn't say anything against evils. I think they are a wonderful asset to the game. The FRs weren't united and all evils weren't either. The Haradrim had inner struggles, the variags were just wild barbarians who came to plunder and I have no idea about the Numenoreans.
This 'our guys are good and the other guys are bad' thing is so childish. The alignment system was probably good 10 years ago when the MUD was smaller (in code). It is not playable today. And it is not thematic.
Zealous ERs are ridiculous. Tolkien wrote so many pages describing how the evils killed each other and for what? For us to make them look like nuns? One of them is even named Archangel. Enough with dualism and christianity please.
I wish I worked for the tobacco industry. I'd be a fucking millionaire.
Battlepoints sucked. They had no redeeming qualities. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a Nazi paedophile that works as a lobbyist for the tobacco industry.
'Wars during the BP days'? What are you thinking of that I'm not?
For even longer you couldn't enter FH while in combat.
I think it does reflect the Lord of the Rings. There were evil characters in the books. Maybe Angelic and demonic could be made more thematic, but what would you have us do - keep hobbits restricted to the Shire, make all eorlings riders and keep them in Rohan and the Pelennor, and so on? Some changes have to be made to Tolkien's world for playability, and it's not a far stretch to allow evil races. You still have your divided free lands, as was shown in the wars during the BP days.
<3 bps
Smoky, for a good while you couldn't even enter West Arda while in combat, so 'travelto quickly' doesn't really reflect the situation.
Not very correct thematically either. The LotR was about the free world being divided even when the enemy was knocking on the door. Having a dualistic world is not the LotR or Tolkien, it's the bible. I don't want to play a christian MUD. Turin, the Noldor, Boromir - they were all main characters in Tolkien's works and they weren't 'angelic' for sure.
'Ok, we've got a playerbase that is working pretty well together, the game is fun. There are two sides, but they aren't that distinct and there is a wide gray area in between. Lets completely get rid of that gray area as well as all the distinction that both sides have and force everyone to work together. Its going to work out great!' =dumb
Splitting the player base into 2 distinct groups was the dumbest idea ever. Thematically, it worked out alright. The war was going on and it was forcing people to take sides, just like in the books. The weak hid in west arda or far harad or got slaughtered. It was just really stupid to think it would be a good thing for the game itself. It just showed how out of touch valinor had/have gotten with playability and what was fun for the vast majority of players.
[new] Date: 02. Dec, 2007, 20:38:01 By: Tiresias
The idea came from locking FRs in SG and Loth. Everything FRs ever did to ERs was retaliatory for bullshit ERs pulled.
I believe FRs were the first to open the war actively. Before fade was removed, they had free reign over all the evil lands and no newbie was safe to explore. ERs bounced back and seemed to be ear-hunting even before necklaces were reintroduced to the game, though. Neither side was all that innocent, especially since most of the active ones were signing off one character to log on the other and start the invasion up going the other way.
ESCAPE GOAT!
A plague on FRs/ERs and their stiff necks!
This argument goes both ways, also look at the active number of ER/sFR vs FRs at the time and to this day.. how many thieves, assassins and wizards did this spawn.
Hold on while I try finding that escape goat, blaming everything on ER's, HAHAHAHA!
The idea came from locking FRs in SG and Loth. Everything FRs ever did to ERs was retaliatory for bullshit ERs pulled.
Yes, lets not forget when FR took over NH trapping all ERs in HAR for simple killing cause we couldnt cross into NH to use our caravan, or even better when there was people in SOR or Mordor and HAR was taken over and couldnt enter, we had to learn how to swim.
Smoky, let me remind you: During BPs, Evade was not coded. The only way to break was to use breaks which dropped you in a different room from where you started and did not cross the path of where you broke the person in question (if you were not an assassin). There was another way, but as far as I know virtually nobody used it (though Alkath and I were talking about using it very early after fade was removed). Ado is 26 rooms away. Yeah, I went to ado to break ER 5-mans when there was basically no other way to break them. So did pretty much everyone else.
On the other hand, you, Smoky, break in your guildhall with evade in the game from Linhir sp. That's a greater distance than edo to ent, and you could break (if you knew how). Break a bang, or even a solo PK more than 1/10 times without using your guildhall, then you can talk shit about people running to west arda when the game was designed to make it near impossible to huntbreak.
No shit. Battlepoints drove a lot of old school players out. It wasn't until Aule pulled his head out of his ass and realized Draugluin was a fucking moron and removed battlepoints that a lot of old school guys came back.
Battlepoints were not the most active time of this mud. In fact they are part of the reason why a lot of people left.
From edo with BP's, you just did tt adornas quickly :P
Battlepoints were the 'dark ages' of this MUD.
BPs were fun... for the powerplayers. For the people who didn't enjoy PK, all BPs did was ruin the game. If they didn't block movement, if combat between FRs and ERs wasn't lawless, if Valinor hadn't completely forgotten the point of lawsys in the first place, it could have been ok. As it was, it was a horrible decision which wrecked Arda.
This is not coming from someone who was always the victim in BPs, either. Towards the end I was pretty good at the system.
I completely agree with Vermond, but would like to point out: What kind of player is consistently on the losing and and never on the winning end? That's right, newbies. And I don't just mean 'What's Edoras?' newbies, either; I mean newbies including people who were 60d old at the time but still didn't know shit all about PK.
What was best about BP days, was.. there was no global lawsystem.
Arda is too small for BPs. You can't make an arena of the whole MUD, some people are here to play peacefully.
and it was when everyone was SUPER active. good times.. gooood times..
winning or losing, still it was fun. =) bring back BP! ... seriously.
Yeah exactly.. Most of the time things are fun when you're on the winning team.
They had the capacity of being a lot of fun and a lot of misery depending on whether you were in the receiving end of the pks.
Battlepoints were anoying as hell and most of the time were not fun at all.
yea then we got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and nerfed and nerfed
Yeah, battlepoints probably was one of the times I had the most fun here actually.. That and when I was new to the game and running around charming animals. It was probably just the fact the whole ER population was like one big guild back then though, and we had at least half the uniques every boot or so.