Gambrinus demonstrates what he's made of.
:trains in the Siberian tundra for his chance at vengeance.
Lucky is always such an unpleasant fellow.
I will break you.
So, is it an acceptable practice to avoid PK when you know you are a target by going idle?
It is a pussy, bitchass way to whine about dying when you yourself put your character into a situation to get killed.
Funny how the same guys who bitch about idle-kills are the same idiots who bitch about inn-breaking... If you attack or get attacked within an inadvantageous manner, it is your fucking fault, not the attackers. Fucking morons.
Probably one of the ones he made up to try to keep him from getting nuked.
which brother? :P
I idlekilled Brubaker's brother before :) And yea, double-standart can be applied on this matter...
Love ya all
Ezzy, just play, stop log paging and play. Please. and bring that crazy Texican back with you.
How can it be the idle-killers fault to take advantage of a shitty situation. Sure it's rage worthy and not very 'ethical' by community standards but unexpected shit happens, and unexpected idle kills happen too - neither of which deserve whining about.
If a certain network connection fails and you end up attackable but LD then bad fucking luck, toughen the fuck up and take it on the chin. There will always be assholes out there who will take advantage of anything possible in game, whether it's you being idle or a bug etc. Shit happens, life moves on.
It really doesn't matter, pounder. The victim shoudn't whine about it, neither the killer should brag about it. As I said, posting a log of an idle kill is stupid, no matter who did it.
As Jerf said, people have unexpected shit happen to them sometimes and they cannot be faulted for that. Not to mention if certain network connections fail in a certain way it may not report you as being LD, exactly how are you supposed to know to go to a safe location before a major network link goes down unexpectedly? Anyone who is arguing that it is the person's fault for afk'ing and not the person clearly idle killing are pretty mentally retarded.
'but that doesn't imply that you aren't a terrible for doing it.'
killing someone idle doesn't = being terrible, it just means the person is an asshole and doesn't care what people think of his/her/its actions.
idle-killing is basically taking advantage of someone else's failure to be smart and idle in a safe spot
if you want idle-killing to be stopped - STOP IDLING when you know X(who kills idlers) is out after you, especially if it's in a lawless area
Date: 24. Sep, 2009, 7:43:06 By: Colon
[...] idle-killing is a just a self-imposed rule which doesn't add anything to the game
It's a rule that is 'self-imposed' by anyone with a sense of pride in pkilling. Similarly, there's never been a rule about quitting during combat, despite various changes over the years to make it a little harder to do. That doesn't make it okay to be a quitter, it just means that you've accepted your inability to be good otherwise. Nobody's going to stop you from quitting, or idle killing, or doing anything else that I would classify as exceedingly lame...but that doesn't imply that you aren't a terrible for doing it.
Who is Tim, dear?
And I idle killed Celoril like a week ago.
Go me.
Lol you idle killed me before Tim you pissant. Stop being a fucking hypocrite.
getting idle-killed is your own-fault tbh, it's well within anyones ability to get to an inn/courthouse/gh in <5seconds if you're going to be idle for an extended period of time.
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idle-killing is a just a self-imposed rule which doesn't add anything to the game
Idle killing is only ok if the person is wanted. Other than that, it's just a pussies or newbies way to get a kill.
Esteban, it doesn't matter who one chooses to idle-kill. You can't set a double-standard saying 'It's okay to idle-kill him, but not her.' I mean, you CAN set a double-standard, but that doesn't make it valid.
'You guys are all fucking pathetic. I love that the mud has gone so downhill that idle killing is considered acceptable by half the population.'
Nope Akhazir, saying 'you would do the same' means he would do that because almost all herkies do. This doesn't mean I approve this behavior. You cannot plan yourself to idle while playing, sometimes, something urgent happens and you just go away from keyboard, this shouldn't be abused for pkillers to finish their job though people do that. If you think someone would do that to you if you were in that situation, then I cannot see any problem about doing it, for example, I wouldn't idle kill you, but I wouldn't hesitate to idlekill Gambrinus and such players...
@Brubaker: I think it shows that you have no skill.
Its just not worth getting upset about, who cares. These things will always happen.
You just show it takes no skill to kill you
I typed up a lengthy post about having some pride in what you do here, but in the end I don't think it's worth posting. History judges douchebags and the truly talented well enough.
I've always enjoyed it when people corpseloot me, idle kill me, etc, because reboots erase gear and gold fixes stats. Logs of awful players being awful stay posted forever!
None of your comments after Ketan's are really needed.
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Take care, TCB!
The whole 'You would do the same thing yourself argument is also rediculous.' And anyone who's saying that is playing at the level of Gambrinus and Co. I've had many times where I've attacked my target found out that they were idle and left them. They got back to their computer and they were like wow man. Thanks alot for not killing me, thats very respectable. But i guess thats all just a respect thing and some people don't care if they ever earn it. I've gone idle before and had someone attack me, and merciful me and give me back my stuff. Respect, some people have it, some don't. *shrug*
Ketan, Dahnir is garbage and got treated like garbage, log is right at that point.
There is, however, something inherently wrong with comparing the force unleashed to idle killing, heh.
If you idle and die in Mordor everyone just says 'dont idle in Mordor', the fact that it is lawless doesnt change the fact that idling in a vulnerable place is plain stupid. No matter where you idle, do it somewhere you dont want to die or dont bitch, whine and act surprised when you come back to your monitor, dead. Do you have amnesia or something? Obviously if your enemy is on, dont give him the chance to kill you. Besides, as so many others already said, not like you wouldnt do the same thing yourself.
The root of the problem isnt that one or many people are lame, the root cause is; it is still possible to idle kill people. You know that, your enemy knows that, everyone knows that. Unless that is changed, how about you suck it up and think twice next time.
Holy shit guys! What the fuck happened? I just went to take a quick nap and I woke up in the past. I read this thread lots of times years ago but it's today. Time travel is the only logical explanation.
'You guys are all fucking pathetic. I love that the mud has gone so downhill that idle killing is considered acceptable by half the population.'
That's taking it a bit far. I don't believe it was ever considered acceptable. Even newbies know to find a safe spot to idle in, though. Most of these idle kills aren't due to some real life emergency and the player needs at most a few seconds to find someplace safe to be. The stance on idle killing for years has been that it's lame (in the way quitting in combat is) and that you shouldn't idle in an unsafe spot. It's a two way street, you had to be idle to be idle killed.
Just because it's lame doesn't mean it won't happen, and it shows poor judgment on the idler's part as well as the killer's.
You would do the same if you could catch him afk...
I agree with Lobo.
Jerf, please.
http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/281
Its easy, phone rang, walked away, came back a few minutes later and i had died, revived, still on the phone, walk away again, come back a few minutes later dead again. Can't really remember what the phone call was about but it may have been something GF related. I think your overreacting Jerf, it happened before this, it will continue to happen after this. Saying that because of it happening the mud is getting worse is utter bullshit, the mud has been worse, people will continue to idle and possibly die from it. I'm not condoning it, i think its a shitty way to die, but hey, I'd say Gambrinus' plan worked, Dahnir was butthurt about it enough to post it wasnt he..
Demandred, your statement is an absolute impossible situation to occur. How could he idle kill you twice in 5 minutes, you would have had to revive yourself at some period of time in those 5 minutes! And im sticking with my stance on this one. Ketan is right, and on another note....I don't even know Dahnir, this is just my feelings on the entire ordeal.
Idle killing is what this game is all about. Perfect timing, flawless kill. Doesn't get any better than this.
Ketan's first comment made me laugh out loud, something this log-page rarely does.
Idle killing is lame, whether it's a guild-mate or an enemy of the guild. It's opportunism at its worst.
I got to disagree with you Jerf, I used to get idle killed quite often back in the day. I remember one day Alkath idle killed me twice in the same 5 minutes. It met the same response back then as it did now. If your gonna do it, good luck to you, but I bet if the tables were turned Dahnir would have taken the same opportunity. The crew he and you run with have made their stance on idle killing very clear in the past. If you dont like being idle killed, dont make enemies who will go that far to kill you like that, or just idle in a safe spot.
Since Dahnir was a few rooms from his GH and at a signpost, it makes it pretty obvious Gambrinus knew Dahnir had a fairly low chance of getting back to the keyboard and was relying purely on the fact he's probably idle. However, Dahnir really should've just typed that extra alias to the GH, unless something came up mid travelto.
I appreciate knowing who is garbage and who is not. As someone who doesn't actually play this game anymore, the log archive is my only real source of information that I might care about, and there is nothing inherently wrong with posting a log of someone being pathetic.
Guys, no matter if you are the killer or the victim. If you post a log of an idle kill you are an imbecile.
I don't understand the 'stop whining' crowd here. Some guy attacked Dahnir from perfect shape at a fucking signpost. That's like...the least skillful thing you can do, but maybe you have to have some sense of pkilling pride to read the log and think it makes Gambrinus look bad. Let me help you out:
Terrible player reads this log. Thinks to self: 'Ouch, he shouldn't have gone idle there! Gambrinus sure managed to take advantage of that situation! You're pretty bad, Dahnir.'
Good player reads this log. Thinks to self: 'Hmm, Gambrinus is either terrible enough to roll the dice and attack people in perfect shape at inopportune locations all the time, or he knew this guy had gone afk. And if he knew that Dahnir went afk, then why the fuck does he even play this game? Maybe he should consider picking up an Xbox and playing Force Unleashed. Have you seen what you can do to inanimate objects in that game?! You can like, pick up trash cans with your mind and throw them into the wall, and Gambrinus seems to be the kind of guy who would get off on that.'
You guys are all fucking pathetic. I love that the mud has gone so downhill that idle killing is considered acceptable by half the population. Instead of being like everyone used to be and calling Gambrinus out on being a worthless idle killer...we have gone to blaming the guy that was idle killed...calling him stupid for leaving his computer. Are you guys telling me you've never had anything come up in your life where you left your computer unexpectedly and didn't have time to run all the way back to your guild or innroom? heh, sad days.
Dont idle in an unsafe spot with enemies. If you are going to be stupid at least blame yourself and stop whining.
There's no way around it, Gambrinus is the master! *sarcasm*
Can Rim strikes again.
Don't get it. It's a mud with a large portion of PVP, and Melkor is driving it more and more to be a full out pvp arena mud. How hard can it be? Idle at a safespot, if you have to run suddenly because your car is stolen or house is burning down, then take that death and live with it, posting it is just boring.
No, Dahnir is cute.
Well, most of all, i think Dahnir is the one looking bad in this log.
Is this suppose to make Gambrinus look bad? I thought we all agreed he couldn't get any worse. Unlike most assassins, instead of waiting for his target to get low while questing or golding, he waits for them to stop aging and go idle, then attempt. Surprisingly enough, he failed to idle kill me about 2 boots ago. It was pathetic.
Someone says in Westron: i suppose you to back off
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