Udungul hitlist. Had Lomar in my party, but it didn't go as planned.
We could all just quit T2T! That solves all the problems at once XD
meh he was away from the mud a long time, could have missed it :p
we could call the old t2t ToM (the other mud)
I'm assuming that Perry is being the tiniest bit facetious.
We already had TnT.
We could name the new MUD 'The New Towers'
solution:
2 muds.
mud 1: allows PVP interaction.
Mud 2: does not.
same rooms, same quests, if you dont want to interact, you dont bother anyone else.
This is true, Draimon. Although I cannnot speak for you personally, or pontificate on the standard of living in Solon, I am under the impression that sexual assaults of that nature by the homeless are something of an infrequent occurrence. The same in general can be said of playerkilling. I know that random killing for less than substantive reasons does occur, but I honestly don't think it's started happening any more in the last year or so than it did in the previous decade that T2T was running. Not enough, in my eyes, to warrant the implementation of a PK flag.
srsly lets pretend t2t is a small world. lets name this world for the sake of my theory arda. say this world is made up of creatures, lets call them hobbits, dwarves, humans elves and shit. now lets assume these hobbits and whatnot act much like humans, in the way that they do things for their gain and desires, giving in to emotions and anger and shit. so its sort of like an earth, but its arda because its like a game and shit right. so in earth like if you went up to a insane crazy homeless person and shoved your cock in his mouth or called his house shitty against his will he'd probably be likely to cause you harm. or maybe you walk by ignoring him, but he still attacks you. either way. its not up to you if you are attacked, because in a world with more than 1 person in it you cant control the actions of another. until now of course, which as demonstrated by my awesome essay above, is fucking sutpid
Or better yet, shut your fucking mouth and be polite to other players.
Josi is a prime example. He's been here somewhere in the range of a decade, and I doubt he's been PKed outside of mordor more than 3 or 4 times. You know why? Because he's kind, not aggressive, and respectful. The people who get PKed in this game almost always earn it in someway, whether their method of earning it is to be in the wrong place at a wrong time (An issue easily solved with situational awareness and common sense) or to draw the ire of an assassin by fucking with people. In fact, Josi is a prime example of why we will never /need/ a pvp flag; I don't know why I didn't think of him earlier.
Meanwhile, the PVP flag allows shitbags like Chowtsu and Frost and Trenchant and all the other names Etrius listed off to continue their shitbag behavior with no repercussions outside of Ainu interference. I think we can all agree that every time the players can't act like fucking adults and handle shit themselves, and bring Valinor into the picture, shit goes awry and no one wins.
PVP is a core mechanic in T2T. If you don't want it forced on you, go play a MUSH or a singleplayer game.
Lobo your link blows
check this out, completely off-topic but hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEwMzQ_Osg
nobody should have pvp forced upon them. especially in an environment where one cannot control the other players and what they do.
This gives way to another issue, PVP does not administer proper death penalties when in PVP. At the very least, it should be in relationship to how much a person kills/attacks others (where someone who seldom/never does, will have hardly a penalty for dying maybe instead of some stupid pk flag).
Given the tendency of Mathias and various other members of the administration to dismiss a lot of the criticism leveled at them as 'whining' and 'unproductive' I made a deliberate effort to sound as calm and sensible as possible; although I couldn't resist a small swipe at the end.
You're sort of right, Tireless. In a discussion with Mathias earlier today he told me that the playerbase had never managed to mitigate spreekilling or other forms of anti-social behaviour in the past. I don't believe this is true. Think of the newbiekillers and nuisances of the past. Think of Chowt and Frosty. Think of Anvik. Think of Streak. Think of Trenchant. Think of Arios. Do a search for all of those names on this webpage, and look at the numerosity and diversity of the players which killed them. I guess that's what I'm talking about.
I agree with you, Etrius. I might be misstating your feelings on the matter, but I think this is more or less following up on what you said. The ambient fear of PK among newer players serves as a deterrent against being a dick. When I was a new player I was as bad as the 'herks' ever were when it comes to trash talking. Eventually I came to the attention of FRA -- I guess I talked trash to one of their alts or friends or something -- and they started killing me. They kept killing me until I learned my place. Then they stopped. I stopped talking trash, fell in line and became (I feel) a productive, contributing member of the community.
There is no real method of enforcing social standards on people without the PK system. Do some people abuse it? Sure. PVP flags are equally able to be abused. The only difference is that when someone is PKed, they can talk to someone and make a fight of it. With the PVP flag, their only method of recourse is talking to Valinor.
The more Valinor tries to control things, the more it will be forced to control things. ...and ultimately the situation will be no better than it was before, regardless of how much Valinor sticks its fingers in the pie.
A perfectly rational response pointing out everything that is wrong with a PK flag in T2T.
Really, Etrius, I couldn't have summed it any more eloquently.
The comment below is what I just posted on the T2T forums about the proposed PK flag. I figured I'd reproduce it here, as it'll no doubt get me more exposure, more flaming and more inappropriate sexual suggestions. I hope at least some of you will agree, too.
'Well, I was ranting about this on the comm earlier and a 'Someone' suggested that I summarize some of my thoughts in this thread rather than ministering from a soapbox in my guildhall's tavern.
Sometimes people on this game are, for lack of a better word, jerks.
Sometimes you're waiting for a quest to reset, and someone just jumps in front of you and does it themselves. Sometimes you have to go away from the keyboard unexpectedly and you idle out, and someone grabs your gear and sells or auctions it instead of returning it. Sometimes, when newer players ask for advice, there are people who tell them to 'Knock on Mordor gates!' or 'do 40 kill scalus.' Some people, if we're honest, are just rude, inconsiderate and downright nasty. None of this is abuse, per se, and none of it is explicitly against the rules, yet these players are deserving of punishment nonetheless.
Enter playerkilling and the contract system.
In instances like this, the community has shown a tendency to police itself. My concern is that the addition of a PK flag will only serve to make behavior of this nature all the more rampant because players of these attitude will now effectively be immune to retaliation from other players. That, in my eyes, is the last thing we need if we're attempting to recruit new players.
I disagree with the assertion that a majority of the playerbase is here for PvP. People come here for a myriad of different reasons. This is a game of many facets. Some people do come here for PvP, it's true, but others come for roleplaying. Some for questing. Some for exploring. Some people enjoy the process of building a character, and some people just like to make friends. In my case, it was the guilds which did it.
PK is part of the furniture here, and it has been for over a decade now. I know some people don't enjoy it, but overall I think it adds to the experience. Personally, I find the process of making gold frustrating and tedious. I have a few friends who hate leveling with a passion, and another who gets sick of having to collect new equipment with each successive reboot. These are all facets of the game, though, and we accept them however much to our chagrin.
An interesting and well-rounded environment isn't one where you necessarily take to each element with equal fervour. I wonder if it's occurred to many of you that one of the things which makes this place distinct from other MUDs is the fact we don't niche ourselves. We're not a full roleplaying MUD, or a full PK MUD, or a full puzzle MUD, or a full anything MUD. Becoming any of the above would be a step in the wrong direction. A lesson which, quite frankly, the powers that be should have already learned from the battlepoints.'
Shut your mouth, don't swear at me Pounder, I am NOT getting older!
**Sticks fingers in ears**
LaLaLaLaLa I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LaLaLaLaLa
I meant getting older, not old. :)
Wait, you're older or I'm way older? :)
Older kelos, Older. :)
I finally got my SC2 key. GAME OVER! :P
@Pounder - I play here and there when I can...work is busy, side business in photography keeps me very busy as well. Plus 16-month old daughter now...getting old man...getting old :)
I tried playing it, I had to have been at like 3 FPS. It takes more out of your computer than fucking Crysis.
That's fucking hilariously awesome. Its amazing what happens when you combine pacman and a mud!
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
HOLY FUCK THE ULTIMATE TEXT GAME
Date: 07. Apr, 2010, 18:26:56 By: Kelos
Who the F is Yoana???
As Lobo said, or just a nobody that actually thinks people care about his/her life. Definitely no one you should bother being aware of.
Btw, Kelos, do you still play or not really? Just curious, I don't notice you on when I am online lately.
yes, I can't.
Bye
I don't think anyone gives a fuck where you're going. Can you not just fuck off and die or something?
MIT Campus Preview weekend starts tomorrow. PEACE, BITCHES.
I can't believe I was the only person to appreciate Iarla's comment. Beautifully crafted Irish.
me??
Actually, I believe it was yours truly who had the 'Sweet Transvestite' TITLE for over four years.
the tranny!
Who the F is Yoana???
saying lame is offensive to lame people westar. plz dont
penis
intellectuals hate gay slurs. they are so enlightened they wouldn't dare use a term like that
It doesn't matter what you believe, Jaren. Public Defender Tireless is championing the rights of gay people who don't give a fuck what you say everywhere. You need to understand, he just spent a lot of time in Valinor, he's used to trying to enforce his personal opinions on the communications of other people. He only knows how to process your language as vile and hurtful, not a simple accusation of buttsex enjoyment. He'll grow out of it in time.
Jakar, you are just green with envy, right? ;)
Yoana suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Date: 02. Apr, 2010, 0:27:37 By: Yoana
Pounder sucks golf balls through a garden hose.
Anyone else find it ironic that a guy who pretended to be a mud tranny wrote that?
Trescothik got got? I think so.
Just because I like having anal sex with you Jaren doesn't make me gay.
I wasn't saying he was being lame, I was saying he likes to have sex with men. So I believe I was correct in my use of the word.
And guys... the use of 'gay' as synonymous with lame? Cut it out.
'But in the Latin alphabet, Iarla begins with a J!'
Trescothik is just pretty fond of being gay.
--J
Iarla's pretty fond of that gay way to sign off.
~~``~`~!!T!!~'~''~~
You signed your name with a J when your name clearly begins with an I?!?!?!?
Well valid points Sunflash, but I don't really let T2T or anyone on it have much effect on my sense of self worth whatsoever :P I play because I like talking to my friends and people, and cherry picking any douchebags I can when the opportunity presents itself! The ainu aren't actively trying to ruin the game, they do the best they can, and you really can't fault them for that...even if their best leaves a lot to be desired at times.
--J
Why the fuck is Yoana still commenting on here?
I am Skaar, hear me roar.
Tireless, if there are any new areas under development, no one gives a shit. Valinor has already admitted that aside from a few select areas there will no longer be new areas released in T2T, and they are going to focus on revising in game content.
By the way, if you're going to revise in-game content, a good step might be updating the convenient regions system, not deleting in game content for no fucking reason.
But you know, good steps are more what Valinor leans away from. Why do sensible developing when you can police the comm like the fucking KGB and enforce your bullshit religious beliefs on a hundred or so people to sate some perverse desire to gain power over people, since they're a bunch of useless shitfucks like Draugluin who will never maintain power over anyone IRL?
Just fucking quit T2T already, people. How fucking hard is it? Delete your client and fucking walk away, quit letting these egotistical shitbag ainu just rape your sense of self respect and giving into their powertrip garbage.
Bring on the PvP flags :D
I'll concede that point, Cruice. What I was trying to get at with the problem possibly being bigger than you realized is that there are new (and large) areas under development which you would have no ability to explore as they're not in the game yet. What if the problem was present in all of them?
Hi pounder.
That's not a bad idea Draimon. You sure you aren't going to build a giant wall with all it's names?
Shabba, be nice, the kid has some major social disorders to go along with his pathalogical lying. At least let him build his self confidence up a little before breaking it down. :)
Well Tireless, you may be right, I might not know if there was a bigger problem. But I've been around Arda a few times, and I've only seen one specific area that was screwed up, and I reported it.
If there is a bigger problem it wasn't noticeable by any means, and I don't see what harm, showing what region you're in, causes anyone other than a little help, or something interesting to see.
As for your analogy. Sure, Valinor may be giving us the bare minimum of good. But I've always gotten the shit end of the stick from them, and you know that. So in my opinion I have reason to be a bit bias towards their antics. I just feel a lot of what they do is more detrimental to someone else, or groups of players, rather than help the MUD as a whole.
don't buy me a memorial, I want the names open should I ever play again :P
but hey i am saving up my gold right now to pay for a memorial for all of your chars
especially when given a mud code/client and the ability to get into any of numerous guilds simply by naming your alt and rotating in and out chars due to the lack of any enforcement of multiplay
like i said before yoana being in the top 20 of a 40 typist mud is not really much of an accomplishment
Way to be a self absorbed cunt.
they really, really don't.
Hey, to be fair more people know my name than most of the old legends :P
we all spend all day hoping every new lowbie is you because you are such a famous and important player on the history of the mud and we all care deeply about what you are up to
I'm not Skaar.... If you actually thought whoever he is was me, I'm flattered :)
An open letter to Skaar:
We know you're not a brand new player, give up the fucking act and stop trolling the newbie comm. You're obviously a hated typist horribly attempting to pass off as a new player in an attempt to create a new reputation for yourself. This is not the way to go about doing that. In fact, by spamming the newbie comm all you did was bring attention to yourself and now everyone knows you're full of shit. Thanks.
I figured out how to make a relevant bar graph:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs073.snc3/14127_590498824667_120603077_35158545_2325043_n.jpg
Of course.
May i use these pics freely? Haha!
If that doesn't convince you, I also have:
a pie chart
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs053.snc3/14127_590491125097_120603077_35158348_3028942_n.jpg
a graphic organizer
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs073.snc3/14127_590491334677_120603077_35158350_2629205_n.jpg
a flow chart featuring a picture of a squirrel
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs073.snc3/14127_590492332677_120603077_35158351_5154613_n.jpg
and a comic featuring a turtle.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs073.snc3/14127_590492577187_120603077_35158352_3621507_n.jpg
In light of this overwhelming evidence, surely you cannot help but to agree with my position!
PK flag is an awful idea. Here's why:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs053.snc3/14127_590490506337_120603077_35158343_7350069_n.jpg
Pk flag is a great idea. Here's why: http://images.worthpoint.com/files/94/045846f7644a1e2187cfb239de661626_0.jpg
put a squirrel with a 'Ilúvatar hates herkies' sign.
*snorts8
'Bakling works on fucken milfs, eaten pudden and professionel water skiien'
That just made my day. *fdl*
Also, maybe a comic strip.
I revise my previous position. I have now read the forums thread and concluded the the PVP flag is an awful idea in any and all versions which the administration would consider implementing. I will produce... graphic organizers and pie charts and flow charts and bar graphs and spreadsheets and powerpoints and a squirrel waving a protest sign detailing this position tomorrow.
You've missed the boat to be a groundbreaking t2t politician btw Tireless. You need to go back to 2000 and hang around with other t2t politicians like Variel, Deboraha, Solomon, Manni and Valerian and hone the old skills.
Btw I didn't read the rest of your essay, because I couldn't get past the 'Mathias works harder on t2t than people on t2t do in RL' rubbish. So if you were just drawing some ridunculous analogy and i've gone off half-cocked then i apologize!
Mathias works harder on t2t than Draimon works on killing terrorists or Bakling works on fucken milfs, eaten pudden and professionel water skiien? Stick to the Fujitsu ads on this occasion I reckon Tireless. Sweeping generalizations are for the ignorant (like me) amongst us.
Cruice, you know that I bear you no animus as a person, don't hold a grudge against you, and for no reason to I desire to say or make anyone believe untrue negative things about you. If I'm wrong and you don't know... well, you should. I've told off good friends of mine in your defense in the last several months because I thought you were right.
In this case, however, you're just not. You don't have the context by which to appreciate how much Valinor has to do, what kind of hours and expertise they're working with, the allocation of resources, the process which changes/fixes etc must go through, or a lot of other information relevant to your conclusions. You might think you do because Aryl was an immort and he told you, but... no.
The reason major projects like PVP flags are able to be done at all is because certain individuals who are EXTREMELY dedicated have taken a personal interest in the task. It is extremely probable to me that Mathias works harder to improve the game than anybody in the game works at their RL occupation. If he makes a particular project his baby, it gets done by virtue of his sheer hard work and dedication.
You appear to be succumbing to what I call the 'Nothing, good, best' fallacy: If a person is not obligated to do anything for you, any good act, no matter how small, is still a good act. Even if the person could have done more, they've not done anything wrong. If I have $10 in change in my pocket walking down the street, see a homeless guy and give him a dime, while I could have given him more, I've not done anything wrong by giving him what I did.
Could Valinor give us more? Sure. But that doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong by providing the amount of support they have. The choice made regarding regions in the prompt was made with their full awareness of their resources and what it would take to fix the problem. You know neither. You are not in a position to criticize this decision.
As if you know what the problem is and they don't? There could be some underlying problem which would require more work to fix.
Cruice, wise the fuck up and quit T2T. Don't let shitbags who don't care about your feelings walk all over you. Make a stand, leave this garbage game and move on with your life, find bigger and better and more enjoyable games that get you the satisfaction you want.
Join the movement, quit T2T. Let the shitbags in Valinor know how you feel: Leave.
9 or 10 rooms... that you know of. What happens if the new areas had to have that fixed for all of their rooms? That's like 300+ rooms which would require fixing for a system that is part of a system no longer supported by the game.
Realistically speaking, the is really overdue. The regional prompt was part of the battlepoint system and should have been taken out when battlepoints were.
As far as I can remember, Valinor's unwritten motto has been, 'If it's broken, don't bother to fix it, just throw it out.'
The only things that are 'fixed' are either made entirely different. (Like this PK flag business), made worse, or nerfed enough to where it isn't even affective in the game. There are countless examples.
I know the ainur's job may be tough, taxing, or even a nuisance. But every person in Valinor, knew what they were getting into, wanted to get into it, and now (in my eyes) seems too lazy to actually 'try' and fix things, and make things better. Rather than make things worse because they seem 'too powerful' in one person's eyes.
I have only ever seen things made worse, downgraded, nerfed, or deleted. Very very very few occassions have I seen something upgraded, or buffed.
Maybe what the ainur are looking for is for everyone to wield a nice fluffy pillow, wear your best bubble wrap armour, don't forget the bag lunch your mother packed you, and run around Arda without a care in the world. Even if you wrong someone else, or they wrong you, don't expect anything to be done.
It's not that it was half broken. I'd understand if it were, sure go ahead and remove it if it's a huge project. But, unless I'm mistaken, I bug reported the rooms that were screwed up, there were only about 9 or 10. If fixing the name of the region in 9 or 10 rooms, is too tasking for our Admin. right now? I would hate to see how something that may actually take some work, would end up.
Ohhh! Like PvP flags! Epic fail incoming.
one of my old chars used to have that legendinfo:
Mathias tells you: it's just a bug we'll never fix
'that actually resulted in something being changed based on that?'
--that's the point in contention, Akhazir, not whether people visit it or not.
@Cruice, every system left in the game requires maintenance from time to time. It cannot be left in half broken. I mean, it can, but it looks super unprofessional. So either they had to spend time fixing errors in the region system... or they had to remove it. I don't see a problem with the decision, though I also understand why you'd dislike its removal. I always liked having the region in my prompt.
It's actually going on right now. You did read the thread, right? Sure, the forums generally don't get used but that one thread has been visited a number of times by people with something to say. It's better than using the comms because while an ainu might not go to the forum to look for feedback you know without a doubt they aren't going to check comm logs for it.
But an in game forum (can be done easily) with external access would serve just as well yes? I am just pointing out how an external source has a hidden purpose of removing it one step from the game so there is no responsibility for actually implementing anything based on such discussions. When was the last time that forum was actually used for an honest and open discussion between ainur and players that actually resulted in something being changed based on that?
Oh, and right here is proof that the ainur are and always have been the cause of the destruction of the MUD.
[09:32] You told Morwen: Is there a reason that the $X in my prompt is showing up as '$X' instead of the region I'm in?
[09:32] Morwen told you: regions have been removed...so that prompt setting is no longer available
[09:32] Morwen told you: see updates
[09:32] You told Morwen: Oh, ok.
[09:33] You told Morwen: What was the reason for removing the regions?
[09:33] You told Morwen: It was nice to be able to see what region you were in, and where.
[09:34] Morwen told you: there were some problems with that, a few rooms that were showing the wrong regions and stuff...rather than trying to fix that we felt it best to just remove it since it was no longer being used for anything
[09:35] You told Morwen: Well it is helpful with the find, and sense system.
[09:36] Morwen told you: it wasn't necessary...find is already powerful enough as it is
I'd like to focus on one tell inparticular.
[09:34] Morwen told you: there were some problems with that, a few rooms that were showing the wrong regions and stuff...RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIX THAT WE FELT IT BEST TO JUST REMOVE IT since it was no longer being used for anything
Of course. Why bother to fix the 9 or 10 rooms that I bug reported were wrong? It's much easier to get rid of something that helps players see what region they are in, and where the regions end. God forbid those 10 rooms are screwed up in an area that everyone in their right mind would know are messed up.
That guy irime attacked had it coming. Just sayin
Because it can be heard more clearly on the forum now that petitions have been removed. When at a forum people tend to put more thought into their posts, in a sense making them count. It lacks the sense of being a live chat so people can take the time to say what they feel needs to be said, and everybody - not just those who are online - will be able to read it.
While this is true Akhazir, why should any player have to go outside the game to some forum just to complain instead of having their opinion hear in game where it should be?
My definition of whining: Somebody who complains about a system in a place where nothing will come of it, when they could be elsewhere having their voice heard with the same amount of effort.
Anyway, it wasn't directed at you since it was obvious you weren't really complaining. It was more towards those side comments about how terrible this idea is.
I agree with Cruice's first two sentiments, but not the third. I quit the game and didn't log in for a month when I'd been playing for 3 weeks because I was PKed twice, and I think I'd qualify as someone who stuck around.
I'm under no delusions that what I say here will have any impact at all. I was asked what my opinion was. I gave it. Do I think it's going to get implemented? No. Does this necessarily constitute whining? No.
That is, unless your definition of whining includes all discussion of current events outsides of contexts which may effect change. If that's the case, I utterly reject your definition of whining.
That doesn't show a problem with the MUD. It shows a problem with a players. Irime made a retarded decision, that caused that player to quit. There are other ways to stop listening to someone talk on the comm. One is comm off, the second is ignore.
Bringing PvP to a screeching halt because 1 new player quit because some dumbass wanted to kill a newbie instead of ignoring him, is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen happen on this MUD.
Also, if being 'blessed' once and losing your gear is enough to make you quit the game instantly. I highly doubt that player would have stuck around for a long time and really be an active player for the mud.
Right, and to clear something up, I'm not saying I agree with the PvP flag.. There just isn't anything constructive in complaining about it here when there's a better place to discuss it.
It's pretty clear that this flag is going to happen so it is best to get your ideas tossed out there to make sure this gets implemented in the best way possible.
That guy that Irime 'blessed'... he still got a shitstorm on the comm before that.
How will pvp flag prevent the atmosphere from changing if it's not about players dying, losing stats, or eq?
...They still will meet the same people in tells\comm\says, and will still feel just as unwelcome.
'It's not about pk'ing, but let's make a pvp flag to fix it!'
Oh well.
http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/14450
It's not really about newbie killing, it's about an attitude some of the more active PKers have. Irime Blessed this player for talking on the comm and that player quit.
Taken from one of Mathias' posts on the T2T forum where most of you would have already read it if you actually cared about this flag idea,
'I've mentioned this on the comm, and I'll mention it here: The problem is not that players die. It has nothing to do with a loss of stats or experience. It doesn't matter what the player loses (if anything). It's about being attacked when you don't want to be. Earlier this month, a new player who had escalated his activity and was really getting to know the game and enjoy it was 'blessed' to make him stop talking on the comm. This player lost his equipment through the blessing, and more importantly, was made abundantly clear that players could and would attack him for no apparent reason. Because that attitude was incongruent with a friendly atmosphere, that player quit and has not logged in since (after accruing over 2 days of age in a couple of weeks).
This attitude that players need to 'stfu or die' when there's a disagreement is unhealthy, both for the players in their own interpersonal interactions, and for the game itself. '
You can discuss whatever flaws the flag has here:
http://t2tmud.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1085&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Or you can continue whining about it here:
http://logs.dyndns.dk/comments.php/14489
and that's coming from a guy who doesn't spend all his time bashing this place
maybe i am blind or not a pussy or something but i haven't seen anything even remotely close to newbie killing or spree killing that even warrants a blip on the problems of this mud
I'd like to point out that what Pounder is describing -- PVPers willing to enforce codes of conduct -- still exists; they just don't have the tools to do so. Why? Because they can kill someone 10 times and have that person still be a maxed 19.
As I think Norin said, they are trying to compensate for something that is virtually impossible to have back in the game. A community of upper level PVP'ers that prevented this sort of stuff by providing retrobution on spreekillers along with an admin that would nuke those that were killing newbies usually very fast. They only police comms and certain cheating, they want code to 'police' the remainder.
damn good summary. =P
i dont like the PVP flag idea though. it takes out a significant detail of this mud game..
which is i think the thrill, excitement, surrows, heartaches, laughs that killing and being killed will give you. =P
It is to keep the awesome crew of new players around after the boom of interest in t2t that will come over us with the new Hobbit movie... We need to keep the place all warm and fuzzy for them, because anyone that has been killed or stolen from as a newbie has left the mud forever. It's a fact.
Allso all that, and instead of nurturing and keeping the current playerbase happy, make alot of them upset with a new monumental change to how the game works.
I think that sums it up.
out of curiosity since i dont read any news or rules for that matter. does anybody know the thought process behind the pvp flag?
Why must the damn flag touch on player theft allso? I don't get it.
None of those options would work; a PvP flag is either COMPLETE protection or NONE at all. It's not like gold is hard to come across, so it would be so simple to keep certain characters contracted indefinitely, thus rendering the flag useless. Basically if they want a PvP flag they're going to have to craft a very specific set of MUD etiquette rules that MUST be followed if you are PK immune. For example, if someone with the flag turned on corpse loots, nuke. Of course, this leads to a ton of false accusations and masses of law reports but I guess that's how it is.
The thing is though, there really wouldn't be an influx of law reports. Inititally maybe, but abusers will be nuked quickly and there would be a period of peace after that. So yeah, if they want the PvP flag implemented, they need new harassment rules and a zero tolerance policy.
I think that the PVP flag is a good idea, but I strongly disagree with its implementation.
The point with which I disagree is that it removes accountability from those who choose not to PK. As it is proposed, I can claimjump any and everyone as much as I desire and they will have _no_ recourse against it. None! I can talk shit as much as I want and there is no way for anyone to get back at me. Aside from, you know, claimjumping. It's rewriting the rules for social interaction in Arda in a way I find discouraging.
I had two ideas for how it could be changed so that it would effectively accomplish its purpose, yet keep the current social order of things:
1 - Have contracts override the PK flag. That is, if you have a C on you and the assassin has the C, they and their party members (so long as the assassin is in the room) can attack and kill you. This way it is impossible to spree or randomkill (or, at least, it's much harder - probably impossible to spree), yet people who commit unacceptable actions (for example... Braliin!) can be retaliated against. Perhaps to boost the buffer against randomkills, make the contractor pay 5k extra to override the PK flag - so they pay 7k but only a 2k contract shows up on the victim. That way the victim can't cash in on the contract but the contractor still has to go considerably out of his way to make someone a target.
2 - Enable a game-supported system of personal contracts: Put out a contract that only a list of people can complete. Eg use the same system as the CC mailing system - 'Which assassins may complete this contract? Names: Rendor, Oracle, Yun.' In this way, option 1 is effectively offered, but without the possibility of your target knowing they're contracted, preserving the element of surprise. This also would allow ginormous contract values to be offered because the contractor could know with certainty that the cash isn't going to the victim.
The reality is that people being protected from PVP are still able to harass other players, and are protected from retaliation by any means other than filing law reports. The PVP flag as described is begging -- pleading, really -- to increase the number of law reports being filed to the point of absurdity. And I'm quite sure that we don't want Melkor having any more to do with how we play the game than is absolutely critical, given the general level of incompetency with which he's executed the duties of his office.
How big of a problem this will be is a question-mark. Given the nature of how Valinor wants to implement the change to PVP, I think that Mathias has implemented it very well. I spent several hours trying to think of workarounds and ways to break the system, and I've come up with very few apart from the problems inherent to its nature. So I think that big kudos to Mathias and any other immorts who worked on the project are in order. While I disagree with some choices made, I think that it's workable and will be improved over the course of time to make a positive impact on the game. The initial presentation is going to be rough, but we have to keep in mind that every choice Valinor makes can be molded; the only thing that's really undesirable is when Valinor makes a move in completely the wrong direction and refuses to change its mind (as was the case in battlepoints). I don't think this is completely the wrong direction.
Cruice is okay 50% of the time and Draimon is fucking hilarious.
And FYI, still sad not seeing Sunflash on the towers. Was a worthwhile addition to the community.
Tireless, what do you think about the PVP flag btw? Just curious, I am never on when you are.
It's definitely funny, but it's not worth sunflash saying it everytime he can possibly say it. Suppose its much like a really damn good song that comes on but after the 25th time on, it's just not as good.
On a side note, it seems like the retards (cruice/smoky/draimon) mistook what they are getting called as with a dyslexic mispelling of the word and continue to retread the same commands from Aryl.
I'm sorry, but the 2400 Aryl and Marthaon alts joke was the best I've seen in a while. I think it just might be the holy grail of lies or something that is massively hilarious with no end in sight.
'[new] Date: 02. Apr, 2010, 3:21:00 By: Sunflash
Pounder, I'm no fan of Smoky and doubt they're doing anything more than moving on from a mediocre highschool curriculum to the University of McDonalds, but you're getting pretty annoying lately. Like, seriously. Chill the fuck out. Go get laid or buy yourself some ice cream or something.'
Newsflash Sunflash, that's wonderful for you! Again, when was the last time you actually thought I cared about what people thought about me? Go back to screaming at one tell Mathias sent to you like it's the holy grail of lies or something or something that is massively hilarious with no end in sight. Oh wait, you are too busy still posting on a forum related to the very same game you want people to quit instead of doing something constructive.
Tireless, that's an awesome idea. It would sell like crazy. Set up a subscription site or something, you would make a mint. :P
Shows how often I've stolen from players I guess.
I am reminded of the song 'Hooker with a Penis' by Tool.
Hamstring used to work the same, if you tried to hamstring too early you'd get a fail message and ep loss.
It's been that way for a while -- but it's worth stressing that the ep drain on failsteal ONLY applies to players, not NPCs. I argued with Mathias about it and, while I don't agree with it (I don't agree with failsteal in the first place!) I understand the reasoning and don't think it's gamebreaking... just a minor nuisance.
Oh wow, complete bullshit. It wasn't in updates so I figured they wouldn't just throw in a retarded change like that without some kind of post.
I actually asked Mathias about this a while ago, and he said it was intentional... something about preventing people from spamming theft attempts against players and forcing people to spread out their theft attempts a tiny bit more than they would otherwise.
I guess it could possibly be a bug, and I will report it.
Jaren gives Wizy a grey cat.
steal cat from wizy
You try to steal the item, but you are not successful.
-=HP:235 EP:176=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:171=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:166=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:161=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:156=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:151=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:146=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:145=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:140=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:135=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:130=-
steal cat from wizy
You need a moment to regain your composure from your last theft attempt.
-=HP:235 EP:125=-
steal cat from wizy
You steal a grey cat!
Guys what the fuck is this shit, why is failsteal taking EP?
The shifting social dynamics (secret and public alliances, arch-rivals, etc) are the things that make people watch shows like Survivor and, I think, Lost (I've only seen part of one episode, but that's how it struck me). This game has those in spades, and the logpage is like a super-concentrated version of that.
I think we should pimp T2T out as a mass multiplayer text-based version of Survivor: Nerds vs. Losers.
yeah i think the whole mud is in agreement that pounder is a retard
Pounder is an idiot! I swear it.
Long live VC! :)
Pounder, I'm no fan of Smoky and doubt they're doing anything more than moving on from a mediocre highschool curriculum to the University of McDonalds, but you're getting pretty annoying lately. Like, seriously. Chill the fuck out. Go get laid or buy yourself some ice cream or something.
Which by all accounts seems to be my good fortune.
In any case, go in peace!
I don't recognize a single one of those names.
Date: 01. Apr, 2010, 14:18:19 By: Yoana
All suicided.
Yoana,Smoky,Irime,Vuurg,Dolur/Bvik,Serafina,Aisyah,Ziggy,1st gen Smoky,Balzac/Azhag.
....
Who the fuck is Yoana?
As long as someone films it. handbags at 5 paces.
I'll pay half your fare to get your arse kicked by Draimon if you like.
Let us know when you have stopped crying, and we may give you a hint when we start caring about it.
I outed Smoky as a man on the comm and got silenced for it, it still stands today about 2 years after it happened.
I forgot, in poundertown, what pounder says goes. My apologies oh Vassal of Poundertown, please forgive me.
You know I did quit once, but I came back to pwn some scrubs so :/
yoana my good sir if you are really trying to quit coming to this log page isn't going to help. it will be extremely detrimental. you will be think things like 'man all these dudes totally suck i should come back and own them' or you will see a cool log and get fond feelings. id suggest just totally cutting yourself away if you are really wanting to quit. good luck
Pounder sucks golf balls through a garden hose.
Keep trying to convince yourself there buddy.
Pounder, you're an idiot.
I hate repeating myself :(
Oops, you also will need to drop out of those schools to learn common sense. Forgot that one. :P
Actually you do sort of fit into the completely lack of personality/people skills levels that typically get accepted into these schools. They aren't bad institutions, but going to one of them, you can never claim this: 'I'm not a douchebag irl.'. Going to one of those schools, automatically makes you a douchebag IRL. Nothing wrong with them, but if you don't drop out, then you won't really do much of anything with your life. :(
I wanted a movie that wasn't porn, didn't I say that?
I don't know, when you try to pretend to be female for several years as well as ask stupid questions like 'What's a movie with a good sex scene in it' (It's called porn you asshat), it kind of sets off a big warning sign.
Yeah I know, I'm totally unoriginal :'(
Haha, although it was Marsellus who coined that.
Valacirca circa!
VC circa = valacircus? :))
I think it's best not to judge people completely via their behavior on the MUD, and less so through logpage comments. Especially people who are young. I've been re-reading old comment strings today, and I've facepalmed a few times at some of the shit I used to spew. I have no idea why I hated VC with such a passion circa 2002. :S
you're fucking idiot, not a douchebag. Douchebag is somebody who's mean, you are just annoying piece of herkie.
I am however going to wean myself off t2t via the logpage so, expect to see me for at least awhile.
Also i) yes, I am done here, and ii) no, I'm not a douchebag irl.
I have a month though so nothing is final yet
Deciding between MIT,Stanford,Princeton, and WUSTL I think.
Just out of interest, which do you think you'll go for? And congratulations for getting into such good schools. You must have worked hard. Any one of those three would look amazing on a curriculum vitae, although I do hasten to add that your alma mata isn't everything. A lot of it's about how you come across. I've seen Polytechnic alumni trounce Oxbridge postgraduates in interviews. Either way, well done. Without sounding like your archetypal hater, it might genuinely be better for you if you didn't come back here. Haha.
Rejected by Harvard, accepted Princeton,Yale,Cornell.
12/13 overall. Yay.
Fuck harvard :)
So yoana, how's it?
[new] Date: 01. Apr, 2010, 22:46:10 By: Akhazir
I was under the impression that Draimon's offer to fight was just a joke.
It obviously was, I was hoping he was Baklen though. That's one guy that makes things really fun and hilarious.
The orange is a little stupid, tbh.
LOL JK, well done. My cousin went to Princeton. I laughed at the obnoxious orange color of his graduation robes, but now he works for the government and I'm a drunk. Obnoxious orange FTW.
You mean you didn't even get into Yale? Loser.
I was under the impression that Draimon's offer to fight was just a joke.
On a side note I hear from Harvard and Princeton in 15 minutes. I'm kinda nervous :/
Draimon > Pounder^Pounder.
This coming from the guy that wants to beat up people in real life? Hahahaha. Fucking Tarzan king of the apes beating his chest and then pointing a finger at people saying, 'immature!'. Hahahaha. Fuck, thanks for the good laugh. I needed it at work, it's really boring today.
most people become less annoying/immature/retarded with time. pounder is one of the few who does the opposite.
Yoana, even though it seems like most of the herks now have this strange belief that saying something enough will make it true, it doesn't mean you have to try to follow it blindly also. I mean if you really have been 'accepted' by MIT, then you should know by now they don't like sheep or lemmings. So, while you keep trying to call me an idiot etc, it won't have any relevance on the current situation. Now, making a trophy for the best impersonation of a female mudder that eventually still got outed as a male (thanks to Urban), that might be interesting and worthwhile.
Can we get Pounder some kind of idiot of the year trophy?
Trescothik, no one really fucking cares if you got banned.
Urban, take that warning and keep it as a badge of correctness and pride. Then again, EVERYONE knew smoky was a guy. I hope no one was fooled by it. Secondly, someone should tell that dude that he should quit sending one of his friends acceptance letters around and using it as his own (like its very hard to replace names on a generic letter or even a personalized one).
Sunflash, change your movement to fuck up the current state of T2T or something.
JOIN THE MOVEMENT
Except Smoky. He/she/it was a fucking moron with mental and social issues, and they can quit if they want, but I'd prefer they don't skank up the whole Fuck T2T movement with their bullshit.
i dont understand trecothiks latest comment :\ help plz
So what you're telling me is I got a warning for saying that Smoky had a dick and all along, you've got a fucking dick?
All suicided.
Yoana,Smoky,Irime,Vuurg,Dolur/Bvik,Serafina,Aisyah,Ziggy,1st gen Smoky,Balzac/Azhag.
Nice way to go considering you got my maxed wizzie banned for outing you as a man on the comm.
[new] Date: 30. Mar, 2010, 11:01:40 By: Hirgail
Is there a character named Beslan for Grozny to get his revenge on?
That's the best log page comment since Nogothrim last turned up here btw.
color me fooled
Andrew? So you WEREN'T a female all this time?
Yoana, I really don't care if you are on the game or not. Or comm-banned or not, I just felt like saying POS at the time. :P But trust me, time away from the mud actually does help ones outlook on what's most important to that person. I know this from experience, alot of it. :)
For the record, I had 5 chars commbanned, despite XXX and YYY being the only two with any warnings.
Shrug. Merry Christmas, Pounder.
No worries. I'd rather make several comments which proved to be unnecessary than give a well-deserved warning.
My bad Tireless, I did not want to know who they were if they existed. I thought this worthless POS scared off by simple commbans actually suicided based on the 'tone' of his previous comments here.
Before anyone replies to Pounder's inquiry, so long as Yoana and at least one alt are still extant characters it is in violation of the rules of this site to reveal that alt information. Don't do it. In terms of what qualifies:
'We do not allow any MP info on this page, whether it be direct or the subtlest of hints. This means that you are not allowed to point out or talk about alts on comments or post about them'
Not even hints.
And good job restraining yourself, Urby ;)
Storming off the game because of a.. commban?
Hmm, I've already got a warning for MPinfo on a public forum :(
The 'illegal content' thing is bullshit, since that is nowhere in the rules. However, with that said, enjoy your time away from the MUD and don't come back.
Who was this person Urban?
come back bro. the mud needs you!
Thank fuck.
Speaking of deciding who should and shouldn't be allowed to talk, every single one of my chars just got a perma main comm and er/fr comm ban, so I'm done here unless it gets removed (I law reported it, I'm sure they'll dismiss without comment).
These are XXX's current warnings:
XXX 06/15/09 18:32 : Comming a link to an image that contains obscene/inappropriate language.
XXX 07/16/09 22:26 : profanity on guildcomm
These are YYY's current warnings:
YYY 03/15/10 15:53 : Discussion of illegal content on the comm: Your file, Blood and Bone.dvdrip (2009) has finished downloading.
YYY 03/29/10 22:35 : posting a url to an image of an 'anti-rape' device on the comm after being told repeatedly to change the subject
(This was the link, for the record, http://worldmustbecrazy.blogspot.com/2009/11/anti-rape-device-rapex-woman-condom.html and I was talking to Namina about it/public awareness)
Anyhow, it's been fun, loved some of you, loved to hate some of you too.
Skype: andrew.ardito
email: chesskid3@aol.com
Bye.
Generally debates on here are riddled with insults and comments degenerate into a 'he said she said' with bug abuse accusations and why x player shouldn't be allowed to talk. Holding the same debate at the forum where the ainur can keep the thread clean, or on the comm where everybody can get involved makes a bit of a difference.
This change just destroys several advantages of being in a guild and makes it almost way too good to be solo or in non guild groupings.
This is obvious Etrius, they are afraid of the input of players who have played the game nearly as long as many have coded for it (if not longer). Sadly enough, even I dont like the PVP flag. If I die due to stuff I say on here, its called being held responsible. I have no issue with that. There will be people who now can completely ignore RP and protection of areas or harass players and steal shit without having any form of reprucussion.
Spencer is a complete idiot who can't write a proper sentence, that's why. Also, his opinions are complete shit.
I wasn't forced to. It was more of a favour than anything else. The person to whom I spoke suggested that logpage commentary isn't taken especially seriously by decision-makers in Valinor, and that prompting talks here wouldn't be productive. Someone else is welcome to repost, if they want.
While I'm offended at the prospect of a person being disallowed from prompting discussion of a topic...I'll respect your decision to remove the log.
More information and discussion is always better.
Apparently it already exists.
http://t2tmud.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1085
A thread at the T2T forum probably wouldn't get much attention, but that would the place for such a discussion.
I was asked to remove the log I posted before. *shrug*
Udungul has not been 'constantly' on its knees by any measure. For the better part of a year, Udungul was the most significant and consistent threat to anyone questing in Mordor, and contained between zero and two 'herkies' (with the two it at some point during that time housed being two whose conduct ought to improve their reputation.)
It just happens that anyone who are friends with/etc with Aryl are indeed shitbags while they are in contact with him.
And why is everyone ripping on spencer for his comment? It is true, Lomar basically whored out to Aryl and is now a herkie (in order to get activity/protection/kills/etc). It was bound to happen, and dungs have been fairly weak in resistance to the Aryl infection ever since Azkur/Amearn all but took over the guild and ruined it's decent player base. It's sad to see such a historied establishment constantly on it's knees.
[new] Date: 31. Mar, 2010, 4:53:00 By: Sunflash
Being a herk has nothing to do with where you live anymore. It's a blanket term for particular class of shitbag.
Fucking exactly.
From what I can tell, Akhazir is fucking retarded.
'That definition isn't entirely true, either. It refers to Aryl, Ravathir and their friends. You might not have noticed that none of their enemies are referred to as 'herkies' when some of them share the exact same reputation.'
'Particular class of shitbag' could easily entail friendship , so this isn't a reflection on the value of the definition. That said I don't think friendship with Aryl is a necessary condition of being labelled a herkie.
This comment deserves to me cherished. Seriously.
Date: 31. Mar, 2010, 4:53:00 By: Sunflash
Being a herk has nothing to do with where you live anymore. It's a blanket term for particular class of shitbag.
Spencer, you fail at using commas. Fuck off.
That definition isn't entirely true, either. It refers to Aryl, Ravathir and their friends. You might not have noticed that none of their enemies are referred to as 'herkies' when some of them share the exact same reputation.
Being a herk has nothing to do with where you live anymore. It's a blanket term for particular class of shitbag. I don't know who the fuck Grozny is, so I can't personally confirm shitbag status, but it's definitely not about your point of origin.
Firstly, hitlist me all you want, none of my characters exist anymore, secondly, Grozny is not a herkie, far from, he is from the other side of the world!
what the fuck?
An Ode to Keats:
Find Me Here
Speak To Me
I want to feel you
I need to hear you
You are the light
That's leading me
To the place where I find peace again.
You are the strength, that keeps me walking.
You are the hope, that keeps me trusting.
You are the light to my soul.
You are my purpose...you're my Ulfang.
How can I stand here with you and not be moved by you?
Would you tell me how could it be any better than this?
You calm the storms, and you give me rest.
You hold me in your hands, you won't let me fall.
You steal my heart, and you take my breath away.
Would you take me in? Take me deeper now?
How can I stand here with you and not be moved by you?
Would you tell me how could it be any better than this?
And how can I stand here with you and not be moved by you?
Would you tell me how could it be any better than this?
Cause you're all I want, You're all I need
You're my Ulfang, my Ulfang
You're all I want you're all I need
You're my Ulfang, my Ulfang.
You're all I want you're all I need.
You're my Ulfang, my Ulfang.
You're all I want you're all I need, you're my Ulfang, my Ulfang.
Is there a character named Beslan for Grozny to get his revenge on?
cuz u r 1337?!?!
Was that understandable enough for you, cruice?
When I killed Grozny, I did it in 2 hits.
While his mechanics weren't perfect (English is, after all, not his first language) I think Kelevra's comment was legible. I didn't have to work to decode it, at least.
you should learn your own language and how to read it
You should try that comment again Kelevra.
don't forget Jentano, kelevra.
It's not really unheard of for guilds which are allies to cooperate.
ain't grozny the guy who doing mordor with braliin and daeril and getting cruice and co ignoring that? So i'm beginning to wonder, maybe there's fixed numbers of herkies, grozny leaves them and lomar joins
I haven't been Udungul in months, but I'd kill him for that.
Presumably, we should hitlist spencer and all his alts.
Presumably, that doesn't make any sense. Presumably, Udungul can't do anything themselves so they have to have their boyfriends do their dirty work for them.
Grozny says in Westron: how much would it cost for you to leave
*giggle*
Presumably they're allies.
GB kills people on Udungul hitlist now?