Wow, I sucked but we still got the job done
The Empress of the mighty dragons was here!!!
Mordor was the most dangerous when I was an ER. Cause I didn't know mordor worth shit. Mordor was a joke. Heck, I use to go in there a bunch even though tb and co would randomly try to gangbang me. Thats some fun shiat
Would that be dangerous for you my dear Baklen or for the rest of us? *grin*
I don't know about you but the last time mordor was dangerous or I was even scared to roam there was when Fjant and his groupie thieves played.
funny Azmodan, I was lvl 12, your 18, i have no gera, your fully geared
AND I STILL GET AWAY
MWUHAHAHAHA! I RAIN SUPREME!
new mordor sucks and I hardly ever bother to go there anyway (especially now)
Cool, well i guess it got my wish it has over 60 posts, whee!
And about mordor stop bitchen, you don't like it, don't play.
The old mordor really was fun, and actually, in a certain way, thematic. It was lawless, evils could clash with morals and people could roam around having fun. The assassins made sure that too many people didn't traipse around there aimlessly. There was always a sense of danger. Now? What happened to all those Mordor cleaning parties and major battles? Mordor is near empty now, near noone goes there even. Is this the mordor we really want?
I was just gona waste you for your contract.. no hard feelings :)
Wait, let me step in Azmodan's shoes a sec
I'LL KILL ALL YOUR ALTS!! MWUHAHAHAHA!
Roke the dunedain laughing idiot
Yeah this new mordor is good for pussies in groups of 10
new mordor sucks. but I already said that. Oh and I'd rather not this game turn into something like everquest where you need like 20 people to go kill shit. I like how its possible to do stuff by your self, but now its a pain. Heck, hauberk is easy to get and its great armour. Try to get a sword of that calliber. Kinda hard if your just running around solo. Same with dws when its up. Its a piece o cake. And mail pants. Basically its pretty easy to get nice armour, but its a bitch to get good weps or good packs
Moral towns being 'closed off' to enemies of their communities isn't so bad. The guards are nowhere near as tough as the ones at Mordor. :P MT would be a pain though, two guards at every gate...
In responce to Duniv's comment...
So what if players cant get the best armour in the game and have a really great weapon to go with it in like 40 minutes?
Does every level 19 newbie out there really need a hauberk dws and mail pants? I played this game with little more than a crs and an ocp for many a year, and in my honest opinion, it was better that way.
Sure, there is an increase in the number of players and sure it makes getting eq a bit harder. However, the increase in the number of players should make it easier for a person to gather however many people they want to go to Mordor and CU
Really think about it, if a war party of 20 moral players is in there, they could come and go as they please...go in and wipe out mordor and CU, leave and get more food and heal ep, go back and wipe out everything again.
Sure, I liked doing things solo. How many times have I been caught out gathering eq solo? Plenty. I do kind of like this new Mordor though.
The new mordor code may sound nice when you think about it thematically, but when you look what it has done to the game, I'm not sure it's so great. With the increase in players in the MUD, getting decent gear has truly become a difficult task. It's not that the quests are harder, but that they are rarely reset. I truly pity those who are without a guild. At any rate, the quests in mordor are now essentially useless to most players. I don't know about everyone, but I liked the days when people would come into mordor for the purpose of gearing up. It made for some fun times. Now mordor is a ghost town, with little for even evil players to quest. If mordor was a center of immoral activity, it would be one thing, but it's not.
No I really think it sucks, why do I have to do anything thematic to get what I want? If I want to stay solo and get a prod and I'm evil aligned wtf am I forced to take a party of 10. or whatever it needs.
Nothing except some people don't like power players and they keep doing stupid shit to fuck it up
Errr...Adunazon, find 1000 players?
And what the hell is wrong with solo playing?
of course not kujo *peers around*
Actually Adunazon, I wasn't necessarily bitching. I wasn't the biggest Mordor freak to begin with *cough* and there are logs to to prove it.
It was merely a thought a ramble. I know you are unfamiliar with thoughts, so I'll let it go.
I have no problems with he recoding of Mordor's gate. When I do want to go in, there are always enough people to breach them. Not that I used to go in alone before other, except for a couple times that we rather unproductive. The gates should be hard to get through but weren't the gates breached after the battle?...and yes it was thanks to a mere hobbit, what does that say about the power of Sauron that he couldn't stop a iddy-biddy-hobbit?
*pokes fun at you and sauron*
Roku,
have you been smoking crack lately or something?
What the fuck is wrong with doing shit solo? How about we close off mt to evils? wouldn't that make sense?
I just have to laugh at Wasach's comment.
'Remember how Aragorn, Imrahil and the rest marched to the gates and entered?'
Yeah, I do remember that. I remember it happened after the power of the entire free world was assembled, and nearly destroyed, if not for some damned halfling. You're bitching about thematicism, you can breach the Black Gate with under 10 people. The battle at the gate would have been a horrible massacre of THOUSANDS of moral soldiers if the Ring hadn't been destroyed. Think about that next time you want to start bitching that ainu are fucking things up and making it too hard for you to get your mithril mail.
Adunazon,
Laughing at you.
I'd like to translate all the Mordor bitching into simple english:
'I can't get a BLEM and a backpack with 3 stews and go get some of the game's best EQ solo now. It sucks.'
wut's rong wit me spelin btch
First for Kujo fearing mordor...
Fear is all in the head, it's not real
second, If all moral towns were shut off to evils, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of RP? cause then evils wouldnt be able to get in to destroy the moral towns, and morals couldnt crawl back to there killed hall with a frown on there face
I dont know if someone has said this yet, because I'm a lazy ass and dont feel like reading them page long comments but
'If you dont like the way the mud is coded and run, then dont play'
simple as that
Vallejo and Tuareg both make good points...
However, it's all moot now. Form war parties if you want to head into mordor, or...
*gasp* the gates become undefended at the end of the Battle of the Pelennor. Remember how Aragorn, Imrahil and the rest marched to the gates and entered? Or am I remembering that part of the book wrong?
Blah, you people are pretty fucking ignorant. Why does Mordor need gate guards more then any other place? I mean, it's not like there aren't at least 2-3 guilds that claim to defend Mordor as it is. (At least when there's an easy pk in there) So why would these people need help? I mean, you'd think they could do the gate guard's job alone without needing those guards in there watching the place for them.
Yeah, there should be only mine there:P
There shouldnt be shitty logs on the top commented!
Dont worry Bashgeroy, you couldn't be Baklen even if you wanted too. And ice staff kicks ass.
No, I'm not trying to be Baklen.*shivers at the thought*. I am the true star, the living god, I'm not trying to be anyone:P
But, heh, I like some things he uses.Fucken is one of them.
Wow, do I really come off as a ego driven, talks about himself all the time person? I only try to give examples of what I know, and well since it happens to me. I tell it like it is, plain and simple. I am the real deal ill tell you like it is, if I think I'm god, I'm god. But I don't, I'm just special.
Bashgeroy, shut up. For once in his life, Tuareg wasn't spewing useless shit out of his ass. Shutting immoral people out of towns is thematic, but the lawsystem needs to be regionalized and the evil areas, like Osgiliath and Mordor need to be more of a 'base' for evil PCs, rather than just NPCs.
Bashgeroy said:
'I can make 10k per hour and I've done it.BUT THAT'S FUCKEN TOO MUCH TOO.I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME TO WASTE ON kill guard, sell, kill guard,sell, kill guard,sell, kill guard, sell etc.'
fucken? Are you trying to be Baklen or something?
Post more logs. I can't believe this log of an absolute nobody being killed has this many comments. More material, that's what's needed.
Tuareg, mind you, stop talking crap? I mean, it's so cool that there are guys like you who tell everyone huntbreaks and cool things.It's really cool.Look how every newbie knows everything, and that's the point of the game.Of course, you can't beat the learn - and teach every moron master Spartan but oh well...
heh, Baklen, see it on logs:P
There's the big scary dung guy + a bunch of orcs there:P
Blah, team work sucks here.
I don't know bro bd was fucken easy, I took all the guards solo, and I doubt ill be able to walk into mordor and do the same from what I hear.
yeah bash that's why it sux
Oh, and it really sucked when Zestusuka attempted me and I had a sapphy:((( I tried to backhunt but I suddenly realised my sapphy was crap...
Hmm, Tarn, your right about the isufiel.But it only has a good bstab, else you have to have potions, vials and such stuff blah blah, not my style to be well equipped.It sucks after the bstab.The sapphy is cool but I kinda don't see anyone else excpet me using it and even I don't use it so often, so..And with this new fang bstab you got nothing to complain about.And you can use the whip.
new mordor sucks. but I've been saying this forever since the very first day CU was implemented. Oh and Bashgeroy. You seem to forget about the Ice Staff. The ice staff fucking rules. You could get it pretty easily solo and could kill mad peps with it. Now if your not in a guild, and not killing evils (ie, no cheap ass sapphy shit), good pk weps are kinda rare
BD sucks, there's only a wavy bladed sword there (err, thieves don't count:P).The stuff just degrades too fast.Not that I don't just love the black steel longsword and the flaming longsword but what's the point to fight with something in VGC?
That's where you set up your little porn studio, Camillus? I always thought that place was pure evil, now I know it for certain.
Nah, level 25 ain't worth it:P And I don't feel like spending gold on charisma and bullshit like that.
What? BD tower is the coolest! I love that place!
Hey, they started this trend of idiotic code with Barad-dur Tower!
As i said earlier, just because you dont like it doesnt mean everybody hates it. You think mordor is a waste of code space? Well now, immorals have a chance to wield the fang without having to ivade their theme and kill ulkhalad. The place is much guarded yes, but it is nothing that cannot be done by teamwork, which is the new aspect that the Ainu are trying to introduce as i see it. Few quests have been added and changed so that teamwork could be implied there. True, the change on mordor was relatively very extreme but it is well worth it in guarding the amount of treasure it has. Bashgeroy, if you think mordor is basiclly mmail and ocp's then you are ignorant, because there are shit load of eq available to be used. Shit like prod and CRS used to be around like ESS's before the change, now you feel like you have something special if you wield one of those weapons. Plus bashgeroy, if you can make 10k an hour, you should be lvl 25 by now! *boggle*
Manner
*ponders only orcs and filthy air like IRL:((*
Erm, what irreplaceable stuff is there in Mordor except the MMail and may be the OCPs?
Bravo Vallejo,
Everything i've been thinking about new mordor was summed up nicely by you (with a few more expletives *grin*)..
Especially that stuff about wasted code..
New Mordor is boring, There is nothing to do if, like me, you like to quest alone or in two's..
Unfortunately i never really got to use old mordor much cause i was pretty scared of being pkilled.
Alls i can say is..
yes, my name is stupid.... but i didnt pick it :p
I can make 10k per hour and I've done it.BUT THAT'S FUCKEN TOO MUCH TOO.I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME TO WASTE ON kill guard, sell, kill guard,sell, kill guard,sell, kill guard, sell etc.
*chuckles quietly as his plan comes to fruition*
Whats with these huge posts recently?
Fuck that, i'm not reading all that crap.
Apologies for the big post and for something else that I didn't mean to do. I don't like labelling all ainu as worthless and lazy, but however sometimes that's the outward appearance of it. Draugluin is a very hard working guy that does a lot of things that he sees as right, we often times don't see eye to eye but that's to be expected. I'm kind've a big asshole to him most times and I feel bad about that, but you can't take back what you did...just be sorry. At anyrate, Aule and Ariadne do bang up jobs...even though Aule is out sharpening his pencil daily and doesn't get to MUD anymore :P
So apologies if I offended someone, but do realize where I'm coming from.
Playability wise Mordor was turned into wasted code. Why ruin good code you may ask? What else is there to do as an ainu, make new stuff?! *boggle*
Seriously, with all the Overlords, Lords and Powers how much actual new code gets written compared to how much old playable code that gets scrutinized over and over again? You can feed me any horse shit that you may want about how many new quests are actually there that I never see because they don't exist, but when the truth comes down to it, the way that Arda is being 'improved' is by rewriting all the code that was fun and turning it into shit that isn't fun but looks good on a paper if you enjoyed being a real life version of a book. When it really comes down to it I don't give too much of a fuck about theme and I'll tell you why. I _like_ playing here because it's a fucking release and a way to get away from the burdens of real fucking life. Sometimes the shit head at the drive-thru at Jack in the Box didn't add bacon like I fucking told him to, and while I can't really just go out and kill someone I can grab an ESS and go randomly kill someone with a stupid name like Frankiej or something without catching too much of a hassle besides having to make gold for 10 minutes to pay for the fine. And I fucking love that freedom, I don't like all this horse shit about what is and isn't realistic, how realistic can you really make the game.....I don't see too many orcs beating down my door trying to lop off the God's gift to women that's between my legs now do I?
At anyrate, Ainu if you read this then here's an idea: Code new shit, don't ruin existing shit, most of these people you get whining about how horrible the code is don't really appreciate what you guys do up there*, they're just having a bad day because they got pk'd or whatever else whiny fuckers moan about.
*As far as what you guys do up there...I was perusing through Castamir's log and the only thing I could see that you guys really do up there is sit there and chat on 12 different comms at a time...that somehow doesn't surprise me after looking at the recent changes.
'I'm just babbling like A moron'
Touche
No manner new mordor stinks, Why? i'll tell you why, how many people do you need to kill those damn guards now? quite a few and few being archmages but how about the old days when one could walk into mordor grab a fang an ocp and dance a happy little jig? This theme and balance is all well and good but ruins gameplay for me and others, everything doesn't need to be based on guilds here everyone seems to rely on guilds more and more a few people get the armour and eq and the rest just pickup full eq and a unique then become badasses!. And we have these strict rules that also piss me off. And stupid changes over and over and over that never seem to end. Like the latest bug fix hide doesn't stop combat anymore! what fun! Ariadne i was told who doesn't even play the game had to go and FIX this so called *BUG* to fuckup thieves. What else balance? gameplay? my fucking left nut. Balinul has a right to complain about the mud and shit noone knows what's going on some idiot just feels like fucking something up and looking smart goes and does it then goes off to whack off. Anywho im just babbling like a moron but on a final note i'd like to say that i fucking hate guilds... and players here should depend on their own skills more rather than pigybackride of a fucking guilds armoury. And the ainu's should make some changes for that too and i don't wana hear about weapon hording sucking my left nut and shit.
Why do we keep bothering our selves with what should or shouldnt be done? Some changes suck, yes, but just because they suck for you does not mean it sucks for everyone else. I personally like the mordor change of only allowing immorals of very low alignemnt to enter the dark lands, which is the logical thing to do i think. However, it is not a good idea to try and reflecting this change to every other city in Arda. caras does not contain that much treasure that would force the ainur to guard it with a similar mechanism to mordor... As someone said earlier mordor is lawless, and as such should be guarded more. Plus mordor contains a huge concentration of good EQ which are relatively easy to get as soon as you bypass the gates. I think it is just like the plantation that was removed ages ago, because of large concentratioon of good EQ. Dont complain too much because this might happen to your beloved lawless lands, it can be removed and re-coded. I have to agree with Raqtor's points. These are my opinions, and are mine only, just felt like sharing them. :)
Manner
Ah fuck that don't even go into the leveling shit Bashgeroy just cause your ass can't come up with shit to level is not our fault. Some people come up with kickass ways. Maybe if you didn't pk and get killed so many times, your ass would be 19 by now. Ever think of that? T2T leveling and gold maken is so god damm easy now its pathetic. If you can't make a decent 5k an hour then thats sad.
Certain hours? We all have done that somewhere along the line. *shrugs, I just found out about the god damm give command when I tried to give an item, I really REALLY can not believe that was implemented that is so FUCKEN retarded, what are they doing?. Oh wait now that they got the playerbase over 150 they do anything they fucken wanted. Whip they changed that for the god damm worse, know why? cause they can now. Think they would of did that 3years ago 4? hell fucken know, because 20people would log on just to use whip. And yes coders aren't die hard mudders, they should take in more player info. Instead of implementing fag shit. Like There was a mud wide vote to see if light should blind people. WTF are they smoking? God I'm so fucken mad, they change shit that was fun, would make you log on, for the older players. Now its fucken boring, only thing is good is you get kickass variety of who to kill. God thats the only thing that is fun now.
Stupid books?!?! This game is BASED on a legacy that Tolkien left us, not 'stupid books'. Theme is one of the greatest features here, I mean teh idea not in the pratical sense ;)
Oh Muaddib you seem to have forgotten what evil's can do in mordor, while morals spend all there time, energy and money getting in that fortress and getting stuff, we waltz in and kill you guys taking what you worked so hard for :)
Mordor is cool. The real bad people can just walk in there. but for what ?
Being able to go in there is a really smal price to have considering they can't kill and get all the Awesome stuff we can in there.
I would not want to be in Evil's shues. Poor people are missing out on the special part of arda. The Mordor raids.
What can Evil players really do in there anyways? Check on needle that never comes!
And little Bashy. Your talking theme stuff again. This is a game where there is a special area called Mordor. Mordor is a lawles area of the game filled with cool tressures and exciting stuff. The rest of Arda is lawsys area wich are the home of the Free Races. The lawsys is not very thematic. But is is a balance feature that makes the game more balanced from a PK hell. Even if you are Shadowspawn of Mordor and have a secret allience with Sauron. You are still bound by the lawsys of the Free Races. The cities in the Free Races land have the things we all need. Banks, Courthouses and stuff. Mordor is just a Special area of the game and does not have theese things.
Think of the game and don't think of some STUPID books. Mordor is a Haven filled with good equipment. Evil players can't get it. And you say it is balanced if we can just walk right in and take it all? Having to fight the gate guards or sneak through CU is a very small price we pay to be able to swim in an ocean of good equipment.
I have to say i agree with balinul here for once...
However, until more dark lands are added, for playability purposes, its absolutely imperative for evils to be able to enter mt and caras and edoras etc. Until the time when there are similar evil towns, we shouldnt close off the good towns. Because when you look at it, mordor is the ONLY place only evils can enter, while closing off good towns would mean closing off the majority of the mud to evils.
On a completely different note, i love how bashgeroy manages to end every single post he makes with whining about something irl.
Eobyn? Jackel? I know these characters? Bluesbreak seems to think so, do I know blues? does blues know me?
WHERE DOES IT ALL END!!
Yes. it's bullshit
Raqtor, MT is no easier to enter than Mordor.The whole Mordor army was trying to destroy it but couldn't.Actually, MT should be a lot harder to enter.And the evils shouldn't be able to forge swords and avenge ESSs.This will be some compensation for the uniques they have.I know some of them can't avenge anyway but most of them can.And it's dumb to be able to enter the hilly overlook other way than questing.I mean, there should be a separate room for it.Sereg is either there or not there.
Also, when you enter Lorien, a squad of guards should surround you and examine you.And it should be filled with Galadriel's spells.
Another thing is that the time for leveling up and making gold should be reduced.It's DAMN BORING.Another thing is that people like me don't have so much online time.I mean, if you are a thief and have internet at home you can always log on every (blah, won't tell you how they reset:P) certain hour and raid it.But I for example can log on for 3 hours.And this is all I can do for the day.And I certainly don't feel like spending my time on trivial do kill guard, sell, kill guard, sell etc.
Of course, the changes can't come in an hour, time is needed.
Btw, the level quests are completely unneccessary, I hate to wait for them to reset when I have to level up:( It always takes me time:(
I just wanted to say I think Jayz is sexy.
Oh don't be so surprised Roku, Jackel has killed at _least_ two or three people before this, too!
Thats funny... I coulda sworn i saw Korzan call Jad a 'n00bsexor' (i think, its pretty early to be thinking this morning, heh) on the durm board.
Geezus Raqtor, When you called yourself a dwarf its like you punched me in the nose, body slammed me, and took a shit all over my face. You're a kick ass contract killer. Lets just leave it at that plz.
Aww! Kujo, its not n00b its newbie god damnit :P n00b is something that counter-strike lamer made up to be cool
Phew, nice to get off some steam there, huh Raqtor? :)
Well, I totally agree with you! Ain't that just jolly :)
I don't think theme should be allowed to destroy playability.
I don't think playability should be allowed to destroy balance.
I belive theme is the flavour that adds to the playability.
I belive playability and balance is the one and same.
However, that is NOT how things are on The Two Towers.
Some ainu decided to greatly up 'theme' in Mordor by adding the gate guards. He didn't consider neither playability or balance then.
Some people that argue against Caras forinstance having the same entrance requirements as Mordor, also talk in great favour of Mordors entrance requirements ... how is that balanced? ... its not even thematic, nor is it playable in the larger picture.
Raqtor, I belive that -either- we should follow the Mordor model, -or- we should follow the 'old Mordor' model.
So when you read my posts here on this forum, and you belive Im talking in great length for adding 'Mordor type guards' to Caras, then Im merely try to get people to think about the issue and realize there is a problem.
And from your flamantory post it certainly seems as if I succeeded with you.
Shut up Balinul ... Mordor is special and only allows its true friends in.
Where should we put the level 15 quest if Only Hand of Eru people can enter Caras ? and what about ALL the cities in arda ?
Some people think too much of theme and realism .. thoose two thing are what finally destroys every game.
Like the new cant give (autoaccept) command .. People like it cause the old thing was totally unrealistic .. but the whole thing about assassin trying to fill targets hands and target trying to avoid that is gone now. But ok I have a nice Idea too .. A person should not be able to break an assassin at a break the assassin allready knows how to get through .. after all .. it is totally unrealistic that an assassin would just stop because the target climbs over some stone that the assassin are fully aware of how to climb.
And you cannot just compare like that .. If the was to be some Light land where only true good could enter .. is would not be so fair .. keeping an alignment of Hand of Eru is what the game will automaticly lead you to. Everything you kill to get a good weapon will make your align good .. everything you kill to get a good armour .. a good pack .. some easy money.
But surely .. If there will come a White land filled with Elves with Awesome packs & Awesome weapons ... surely I would not mind if HoE people who never kills there are alowed to enter. Just as long as I can Bash in there with a huge party or go in the back way to fill an armoury with awesome stuff.
Oh uh oh *drewl* but but but ... it is not thematic that Raqtor can enter Minas Tirith uh oh *fart* he is evil uh oh.
Come on .. talking theme .. I am a Dwarf .. is it thematic that I have a sign with my alignment hanging over my head?
Talking gameplay .. Is it fair that this dwarf should not be alowed into Minas Tirith ? .. I mean Alexa .. Forge swords .. Phial .. Al .. MC room .. Baskets .. etc.. etc.. .. All theese things should be restricted for morals huh ?
Every time something happens to destroy the game it is because if Theme or realism .. Every time something hapens to help the game it is because of Balance and gameplay
Nah free me from your phycho babble and start thinking about the game.
Aww come on Eobyn...
Dont pretend you dont know who jackel is :P
Roku, you too :P
You've killed lots of people Roku, just none of level 14... :p
Tarn, you should see the mad people I've killed like hmm, well when I think of some I'll tell ya! :P
Jackel killing somebody...well the impossible has happend, this may just be the end of the world as we know it.
The problem is that most of the coders don't play.
Not that your really one to talk Roku
Could this really be?
Jackel actully killed someone?
Yes, I am aware of that Tarn, Im just trying to illustrate the point, that Valinor never thought things through.
The problem is, that Arda has been coded over a great length of time by a great many people all with different ideas.
Never has anyone sat down and looked at how the world functioned and how the mechanisms are.
Melkor tried to do that with ArdaV2, but that is just a dead fish gone cold now. :)
So basicly, we're more or less stuck with a game where nothing is thought through and considered into a direct and general design. Whee! :)
*agrees with Balinul*
No it doesn't. But disguise is dumb sometimes. it only works in some places and not in others (which I'm sure you were aware of).
And it helps to disguise when entering Mordor?
Actually Balinul, my guess is that they were disguised
Another example of how little thought Valinor has put into the design of this mud:
Since you appear to be a kind person, the sentinels let you pass into the city.
Jackel the sindar Deathmaster (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
Funny that this person so easily can waltz into Caras, while Mordor is guarded like hell.
Talked smack about Jayz?
That fucker.
just start flaming people
i'll start for ya.
er.
Quam, you *snorts* suxor..
I roxor *snorts* i soloed *snorts* you with *snorts* my alt *snorts* 112 times!.. thats how bad you suxor!
er, l33t r0xor n00b k1ll
what did he say?
Can we get like 60 or more comments in here like the one about Tuareg dieing? That would be cool.
That was for talking shit about me on the main comm a couple weeks ago. No hard feelings?
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