I can always roleplay that way too ;)
I'm into gold. I like power.
But that doesn't mean that saying, 'GOLD and POWER' turns me on.
I say this merely because I hate words with all capital letters.
Go Rendor!
Tell 'em like it is.
Fuck off, all of you. The Durmanhoth have a terrible theme. But that's their own business.
Actualy, their library is pretty cool, I hope I can see it updated from the last time I have been in it :)
The people who predominately get killed by Durms are people who dont pkill, it's not hard to kill people who dont know how to break hunt. Exceptions for Julius, I have mad respect for him and his kills.
Where did I say our theme was easy? :P.
Yes, you are wrong, I dunno where you're pulling this shit from, but I dont play the mud only to pk, otherwise i'd be running around taking contracts, right?
I dont even understand what the hell you're talking about in relation to our library, considering our library is very much still 'up', so i'll just ignore that :\. Make your shit clear in the future, dude.
If your theme is so easy why dont you and your likes go out and get that library back up??? coz your no better then us all you want is to pk. Am i wrong Kujo??? And easy, its not easy to kill anyone.
Oh yeah, i find it funny that you're defending the Durmanhoth, (even though i'm not really attacking them), when you spied on them for just about every guild in arda :).
People know who you are, dipshit, so dont hide behind a dead name.
and how hard is to follow the Durmanhoth theme, as opposed to anyone elses?
They kill people, wow, most of the time these people are none the wiser. As opposed to Rimsilvals theme, where we actually have to go out and learn, and it is compulsorary to do it.
Think about which theme is harder to follow, killing VC and KoDA, or actually having to think.
P.S. Streak, since you like talking about other peoples alts, then you cannot expect me to keep them seperate, watch your back next time you log on son.
If you don't like the game, then don't play it.
The old whining elderly look back and say that in the past all things were better. Why can't you just try to be positive and wait what the future will bring?
Sure, there will be changes, maybe some that you dont like, but there also could be changes that you DO like, right?I think its a good game to play, in your spare time.
It's so easy to whine about things.
Its so hard to give propsBorkaz.
Hey Rendor... *ding dong* wake up call.
This is from a person that has actually been a durm both more then you, and has also during inactivity kept track on the guild progress for about 5 years of mud time (which may not be so much comparing to some) through 6-7 rl friends who also has had almost all of their chars, in the guild. And some still does.
I know i am neither particularly known or has done some heavy impact on the guild, nor do i claim i have, but i've been a part of the machinery, and has spent hundreds of thousands of gold, as well as hundreds of RL hours, on my characters to be that, besides with Hrakno, who saw a durms so filled to the edge with assholes that i couldn't set my foot there again (although not all was assholes).
Earlier, where you Rendor btw. wasn't doing much more then being a general prick, and obviously still is (erm and btw. who could ever have guessed that you of all people would join the durms, whom you always downtalked, backstabbed & waged personal wars against) there has always been discussions risen from the fact that durm has a very controversial theme, and the fact that the durms has had multiple cheaters/harrassers etc. in their rooster.
I have actually been around when orders has been issued for us to do everything that was in our power to do the most possible harm towards you and all your characters. (that was when the alt thing wasn't so extremely enforced by the ainur, you could even speak alts on the guildcomm if you were not to blunt about it).
Some people consider themselves having the right to discuss it with eachother, and by all means we do. Even though some hard man whos parents obviously didn't even bothered teaching how to address people with a proper language, thinks it is not so. How come you think you have the right to tell people what's their buissness and what is not? Everything is everyones buissness if they want it to be so. Ex gm or not.
You've killed most people, your the best? You have spent more money on ppl's deaths then the rest of us? good for you. (and i am not saying Rendor that you hasn't done a good job with your work in durms, i wouldn't know.)
/Hrakno
And finally a list. The durms (visiting or permanent members) that i have met/been working with (much or shortly).
**The ones i liked, who has made mudding worthwile.**
Klouse (his style),Deadlok, Konthor, Toto, Serex, Subzero, Solkan, Boctan, Galaad, Transron, Karanach, Dorin, Lacan, Karanach, Belgarak, Roeven, Sime, Dorin, Alder, Ainaruth, Pestilence (drogan's), Rins, Shaft, Kriss, Moccasin, Ranson, and of course many more. and alts, older and newer.
**The ones i disliked, by various reasons.**
Klouse (his attitude sometimes), Hooch, Manni, Kraven, Nikka, Mahamodie, Darkclaw, Devon, Nightsbane
Tarn you are right!! Not fun at all play this game anymore.!! :P
now the MC just needs to die and those ainur chaps need to put cool stuff in the game, not take out all the cool stuff in the game
On a side note, //**how about them styles?**//
blah, hope that posts correctly
More simply, it could be interpreted as:
Fuck off, its none of your business.
Rendor.
Such a breath of fresh air. *ahh*
He manages to make more sense than any of Kujo's pathetic ramblings, while still adding to the '**fuck**' tally. Amazing stuff. *cheers Rendor*
What Rendor said can be applied to every Guild in the game. Well, as far as it concerns their themes and how, or even if, it is being followed. I hope the MC takes this to heart as well, there is only one group in this game that is allowed to question the viability of a Guilds theme and that is Valinor.
Don't worry about whether or not the other guild is following their theme, worry about whether or not your own guild is following it's theme.
Please disregard my comment since Rendor made the point I was trying to reach so much better.
I don't get it. Necsipaal killed some bitch because he ignored her (which I liked very much), but Kujo and Hrakno are still commenting...
I would just like to say a few words, as an ex-GM of Durmanhoth.
If you are not in the Durmanhoth, you don't know what's going on, and nothing is any concern to you.
The Durmanhoth does not need to answer or explain their theme to any of you, nor to defend it when it is questioned, but I will mention a few things to the unenlightened here.
Considering that the Rimsilval has no theme of their own that they've ever followed for more than a few minutes in seven years, and then take into consideration the hundreds and hundreds of players that the Durmanhoth has killed, I'd say Durms do a much better job.
The Durmanhoth is a collection of individuals, all who have different backgrounds, motivations, friends, neighbors, enemies, and hatreds. It is not a strict army that acts as one all the time - although in times of need, such as a war, it can become so. In general, members are free to fulfill contracts as they please, and the responsibility lies solely on that one member.
Who should live and who should die can change by the day or even the hour. At one point or another, Durmanhoth has killed members of every single guild in Arda. Who cares if they are not currently attempting to kill members from every guild all at once, all the time? You should simply be worried about them coming after YOU.
Guilds fluctuate in size, power, and activity. All of them do. The most stable guilds, however, are the ones who tend to shy away from playerkilling, such as the Knights of Dol Amroth, and the Valacircans. Being a playerkiller is not an easy task, and especially not when you have multiple enemies. Its arduous, it takes up a lot of mental energy, time, and money.
I've spent more gold already on making pepople die than most of you will ever earn in your careers here at the Two Towers.
That's the verbose way of putting things.
More simply, it could be interpreted as:
Fuck off, its none of your business.
Rendor.
You people get way too worked up over shit of no consequence.
fuck, my mind is playing tricks, what i mean by impartiality is having no alliances, it's been claimed before.
Deadlok went wanted for 12 gold, big loss! They were doing it to try to get pkills, and they fucked it up.
We want to talk about arrests? How's about Ruso attempting random Rimsilval WAY before the arrest? He learnt his lesson though. Or Toto jumping me? Deadlok claim jumping EVERY boot that he's on? that's not hospitible behaviour (although not illegal).
The thing with trying to put blame on the war is that it can be taken back further and further and further.... Until people start going 'well, xxx killed yyy on the 25th of november 1954, so we retaliated!' *heh*.
By the by, I think Deadlok lost a lot more due to this war then anybody else, in an IC sense ;) (one could argue that Majard and Guimli lost more, losing characters and all ;)). It's well known that the Durms have claimed to be impartial many many times, perhaps the theme document has changed? *shrug* i'll dig up comments with Durms claiming to be impartial if you really want me too :)
P.S.
If Mara got booted from Durms, then i'm the happiest person alive.
where btw simmiliar issues has been the trigger to any of the wars previously fought. when there's an rp war between edoras and dol guldur, it would have been a totaly different thing.
We are a secret society, and are only meant to be the weapons
of the silent war.Oh, so its about good and evil this previous rim/durm war was about. I thought it was about personal issues between players, mostly due to the killing of majard because of an arrest etc.
wake up.
7) No assisting other guilds' plans will be tolerated.
Is teaming up with another guild, or rather ask them if they want to team up with you, or just considering it, being a part of their 'plan'? In that case how? Isn't it up to the present guildmaster and his council to decide what's best for the durmanhoth at that particular moment.
I interpret that line as it says durmanhoth shouldn't be some puppets for other guildmasters to command. Not 'durmanhoth will by no means join another guild in order to survive'.
My point of view mr. scroll writer/librarian of the Rimsilval.
Have i ever read any of your work btw? (I'm not being an asshole i am just curious, i read lots of books/scrolls in the mud) and if you would please direct me to where it can be found otherwise.
Erm and i realize writing scrolls may not be prio 1 when in a war, but heck.. you've had 6-7 years on you.
Help for guild_durmanhoth (Guilds Help)
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The Durmanhoth help file
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The origins of the Durmanhoth are very deep. Long ago when the
great Isle of Numenor still stood, a few of the men from this Isle
craved GOLD and POWER. The voyage back to Middle Earth had been known
and sailed many times. This small group of men decided to sail back to the lands of old once more to gain power, prestige and gold. They conquered the less advanced sea towns along the coast and gained a great deal of infamy amoung the coastal populace. Thus it was that mighty Sauron's roving eye came to behold them. It came to the menacing Ainu's mind that great use could come from such blood-thirsty driven men. Thus it was that he coerced them into leaving their ships in hopes of gaining greater fame and fortune in his service on the land as his private band of assassins. He trained them in the dark arts of assassination and opened their minds to a new vision of murder for gold. This group of men he named 'The Durmanhoth' his blessed evil horde. They served him well, and even though secrecy was strictly kept by them, their fame and power
began to grow. At the height of their power, Sauron was struck down
by Elendil the Tall and Gil-galad in the war of the Last Alliance. The Durmanhoth was forced to maintain an even greater veil of secrecy and awaited their powerful return. Then one day Mutalator came to the land with a thirst for blood and led these men back to their former glory. Once again, the Durmanhoth became secret tools in the wars of Arda!/__**The Durmanhoth is not like any other guild in the game.**__/ Even though murder for gold is a rather EVIL thought, **they are more impartial in killing for any gold they can. It has been said the hardened killers will kill for any amount of money, because it is the rush they are after.** This is not the profession or the guild for the weak and squeamish. If you like to kill and watch the life force drain from your victim while you loot his unmoving body, then join us and learn the dark arts of assassination. For if you are not a member, then you are a TARGET!!
This tells the story of a few men that started out as sauron's soldiers but after that became more independent. I have higlighted the important parts. Where does it say they cannot allie themselves with people if the need arises. Where does it say that they are not conducting rp when they kill people for fun?
7) No assisting other guilds' plans will be tolerated. We
are a secret society, and are only meant to be the weapons
of the silent war.Has this book been changed? :\, I dont recall it mentioning 'lord sauron' before.
this is a fuckin game
not middle earth
therefore the theme has to be combined with game play
I mean fuck, when you die you dont come back so if someone gets killed once in the mud there character should get deleted
oh and it would take you several weeks to go from mt to edoras of course
yea and rpers are bad ass
I mean, last tarn before he suicided got idle killed in rp combat intentionally by my pal woden and then when I revived his pal khralek almost killed me
and you gotta love it when some durm fuck is a better rp then some vc
Where in impartial does it say that you are not allowed to make allies if the need arises, just because you aren't of the same align? I'd say being impartial allows you to do what the heck you like.
crocodile hunter rocks
Pardon me, but isn't the Durmanhoth supposed to be Impartial. To not have any allies?
I agree with you on not killing people from the evil guilds. But if we started doing that we would have no allies at all when you 'good' guilds get 'mad' at us. And you will get mad at us! And forcing a rp on someone? people are here to rp. Every time I go to Edoras and slughter some soldier's guess who attacks me??? I accept it and don't report because its rp. But i dont like it. But as soon as we complete a contract on someone we are drawn into another war.... And then we have to focus all our strenghts on that and you have to do the same and so it continous on and on and on, till we have a ceasefire that last about a week or two. If you guys where a little more understanding about or killing theme maybe we could kill more evils because we won't need them as allies. my 3rd rate cents =)
Why the hell do I make 2 (now 3) comments in a row, you'd think i'd have the smarts to wisen up and say what I gots to say in _1_ comment.
Oh yeah, Shaft, how did you know about the crocodile hunter? I remember talking to you on the comm about it, I thought only the americans liked/tolerated that dickhead :P.
She hadn't done, anything to me? well she mocked at me and even chose to post it on the log pages, which was yesterday night quite a reason enough to me to get angry.
And no Shaft is not an american, and to answer to Trempk, my character doesn't quite support to be placed on ignore more than to be attacked.... This was not a *thematic* kill, Kujo, but as refered as your own legendinfo, I was pushed, I striked back.
I didnt call him a newbie, I called him a 3rd rate huntbreaker :P. It's just funny to see him judge me, but still to die like he did.... Blah *shakes head* i dont really care for this argument anymore to tell you the truth, it's not even getting decent flame replies :P. I've also never said I was better then _anyone_, other then say, Mara.
I aint got no problem with any Durmanhoth members other then Mara and Toto. Mara because she decided she'd bring RL crap into this, and then when I did it back she claimed harassment (and she's also a shitty player, posting logs of killing newbies for no real reason, big fucking deal) and Toto for trying to claim jump me, but fucking it up, and then attempting me at ZZ last reboot when I thought we had a cease-fire (nearly got himself killed too).
Wanna continue this at another time :P? I'm going to bed.
UIN# 79290189
Once again, I didnt brag about it, I merely stated why I did it. He got his little alt friend to loot his corpse, that pissed me off a great deal. He had peanuts for eq, but it's the principle of it that really burnt my balls. It was none of your concern anyways, we've all done stupid shit in the past, like hunting in rp combat. *poke*.
As for the Durms theme, yeah, it's a great theme, I agree, it's just a shame that the theme isn't followed well, with very few exceptions, beyond the simple 'we kill people for the thrill'. Show me a log of the last Udungul/SoU killed because they had a contract.
It's also worth mentioning that the Durmanhoth are one of (possibly) 2 guilds in arda that force their RP onto other people, no matter what. All the protectionist guilds will leave you alone if you say that you do not wish to participate in their RP combat, Thieves dont really make their presence felt unless you piss them off (which is a really cool thing, props to them for actually managing to stay so damn secret :P), and i wont comment on FRA because i simply do not know enough about them and their previous conflicts to pass judgement.
Yes, I know Azathrim, well I know OF him, he was a Rimmie for a while, dont forget :P.
ok you're right. I am not the person to decide wether lag is laggy enough to huntbreak or not, and shaft is a newbie :)
btw so is toto and deadlok, and calain, and alder, and practicly everyone, since they have on some occations died due to misscalculations and wrongly choosen aliases. I have seen shaft done stuff that you never has, or will have done though, that's why i stand up for him when you call him a newbie. It actually reminds me of being a newbie myself, and calling other newbie newbies, because you knew this specific weapon and they did not etc. Pretty mindless stuff.
why i ran to Edoras from mt is obvious to me, i did not remember any huntbreaks in mt =) simply because i have been away for a while. And that hb is not 'triggable'. I have escaped the clutches of Rendor, Lotraz and Horid. And allthough i havent many logs up here is because of the simple fact that this log page was not up when i was most active and still an assassin. During the first war between BkD and Durmanhoth i did not die ones! It was when BkD was still a clan i belive. Azathrim was the BkD 'topgun' (know him?). And i never said i was better then you in anyway, i simply pointed out that double taping a lvl 16 and braging about it is lame no matter how much of a 3rd grade huntbreaker iam. And im not american!
The person who killed him comes from the asshole of the earth for internet connections, Shaft's from.... The united states i thinnnk, apologees if i'm wrong :\. It was reboot lag, everyone lags at reboot. The fact still remains, can you imagine being lagged enough to not be able to break in Bree? I cant. I played on normal 56k, which NEVER connected above 9600 baud rates because our phone lines simply cannot handle it (I know this for a fact, my dad used to work for Telstra), so dont tell me about lagging connections :P.
Dude, heran from minas tirith to Edoras to huntbreak, tell me that that is good.
Shaft has a very volatile connection, which makes his connection extremely laggy some times, and just perfect others. Just as mine. I was btw. in the same room IRL as him when he died so I know how it happened, how else would you explain a maxxed warlord die in Bree? Do you seriously think Shaft can't huntbreak one person? If you did, I would suspect everything but newbieness, as well as I would any other guild warrior fighting a war. The killer i don't remember who, but he was like lvl 16-17 or something btw, shaft has escaped several attacks from multiple enemys with lower hp and on harder places to huntbreak. Obviously.
Erm and as I said, i don't care and i don't meen to insult the guild but there hasn't been much writing. Ok she hasn't been a member.. I would still not consider it absolutely impossible to get a hold on the information in that room. Noone told her she was wrong btw when she presented the data.
If you think i'm wrong, check how many lines of text that has been written, and make an avg. per day/week/month then tell. If it's much, I apologize. If it's not, then you shouldn't complain on durmanhoth who, lets face it, does kill people as per their theme. If it's hardly anything, and you still consider it job well done, you qualify for being an average rimsilval member, which is sad but in that case true.
I'd like to know how Deb knows about how much time we spend on our library, considering to my knowledge she's never been a Rim, and I doubt very much if anyone would've let her into the hall. The way i see it is, Deb had problems with both Variel and Morpheus, so perhaps she's a little biased? Another question, Deb hasn't left the MC room in near 3 years, how the hell would she know?
Hrakno, Shaft started on me for no reason, he called me a 3rd rate killer, which is probably true but he has no right to talk with the shit he's done :P. So anyways, I called him a 3rd rate hunt breaker, must've hit home right in the sore spot, cause he went off his tits. Let me ask you, Hrakno. What constitutes a newbie? Being on the game for a long time doesn't make you a good player, I mean, after all, He got killed in Bree for fucks sake, just about everyone here could've broke that hunt in their sleep.
Hopefully, if shaft replies to his post with some bad words, we will get the chanse to see Kujo calling Shaft a newbie again, speaking of retards.
I don't know, and I don't care, but if I were a Rimsilval I'd be very careful with the word guild theme. When Deboraha made her little investigation and calculation thing on how much time the Rimms spend on their library, she probably turned out to be the one spending most time on it of all.
The durmanhoth have something that the 100000 clans don't, pretty obviously. They were _made_ to be bloodthirsty killers guild. They were made a guild by the valar. You know better then the valar? (asked as in the godfather III 'you know better then the pope?')
Me and Nec are good friends, I just didnt expect her to kill people without a contract and who hadn't done anything to her.
Yes, Shaft I do!!!!!! Do you???!?!?!?!?!?!
Over using question marks makes you look (even more) retarded. I wonder what you're getting at here Shafty, perhaps you can enlighten me?!?!?!?!
Kujo do you even know the theme of your guild????
contract killers dfg;lkdfg
well then everyone that durms have ever killed had a personal contract placed by me on them for 0 gold
so hah! librarian scum
Pllleeeease Tarn, 'blood-thirsty killers'.... My fucking ass, you guys are supposed to be contract killers, that is the only reason you guys are in the game. You really think, with the millions of clans that have the EXACT same theme (we kill whenever and whoever we want to), that the Durmanhoth would still be in the game if this was the case? Somehow, I think not.
Oh, and the only people I kill are people who attempt me or my guildmates, or are Durmanhoth members.
I am a librarian; what are you implying?? Where'd I leave that carving knife dammit! :P
I like the dlsg to death in 1 round almost as much as I like a librarian that kills people saying a blood thirsty contract killer cant kill people just cause they want to
Savita says in Westron: that was really fast
Hell yes! ,that was really fast
Pretty nice hits.
Come on :) Necsipaal rules :)
fdl
You should have went back to hunt spartan! Surely if ignoring you is insulting, then attacking you must be its equal. :)
*pushes Necsipaal*
At least it was a solo, would have been better if there was a contract behind it or something though. :P
*shrugs* for some reasons i'm sensible today, I'm a nice being, I just don't like to be pushed
fucking added accidentally :P
anyways, it's nothing to get mad at.
You have nothing to be offended about, they ignored you, wow, big deal! They probably laughed at your extreme rp, wow, big deal, pretty much everyone has been down that road before.
please Kujo, don't tell me you do absolutely nothng when you feel offend, do you?
Contract killers of arda showing their professionalism again. *roll* I expect better of you Nec.
Nice to see something still is going on in the halls Nec...damn I miss having inet!!!