The instagation to my death!
Whats this Mordor you all are talking about?
Oh gosh reading the comments I really felt like gearing up and sneaking into Mordor. Bumming around in the wormholes and looking at the mossy surroundings... and leap at someone. Most of you. All of you! Mwhahaa
A more serious note. It would be good if Mizrahi would post as he is Guru Miz and all. And all he says is true. If Guru Miz would post we would all know the truth. And there would be peace... or perpetual war! Guru Miz, where art thou?
When a world ends dont most people go looting, saying their goodbyes, and crap, when I was a room with Gothwin she just stood there and when I ran to hug her fine butt she quitted.. whats that?
am i the only person who kills people in mordor just cause its fun? You really dont need any excuse to kill in mordor, its a free for all
Just go at it and have a blast
Arda even!
left the room, not mordor, I bet the person who got killed at balforth didn't leave west ards? :P
And no, we do not chase down people after they have left Mordor.
I would be more than happy if suddenly the treaty thing wasn't completely stricken. Unfortunately, when group follows it, as we did, and the other does not, it's inevitable which side is going to have people killed.
As a side note, i am damn tired of resist magic ;P hate to train the damn skill for 1 reason only
But we don't know Sauron so we can't even make a biased opinion on that.
And I seriously SERIIOUSLY doubt Sauron would get mad if someone came along and killed someone who was attacking Ulfang, or any of his things. I also think he would be glad to see anyone die in mordor THAT was not supposed to be there.
Ok here's the lowdown, if you are in mordor expect to be killed, or attacked. THAT is the way mordor is, that is the way it was when it first was coded and thats the way it will always be. This ring a ding shit with rp is fine, by all means go ahead and rp your hearts out in mordor. But if you are there you can damn well be certain you will die. No fucking fancy theme shit about it, plain and simple its a killing zone. You wanna retaliate FINE go ahead, stop bitching, mordor has more hb's then half of Arda. If you die in there its your own damn fault. One for being in there, 2 for not knowing WTF you are doing. So stop bitching
Woah, Tarn agreed with me? That scares me a bit... ;)
Erm when people leave the area in mordor, you chase down no?
I dont see a reason of why hunt shouldnt be allowed in roleplay as well as not putting enemies out of their misery. But then again im from daen hecil and not afraid to die.
It should also be noted that I barely escaped myself after receiving 8 headbutts in 2 rounds. Considering that the odds were 10 on 4 that hardly seems justified ;P
People tend to bitch about things such as having one of your guildmembers chased down by an entire party after he leaves the area, Limdul.
I agree with fofeypoo. Just kill em back if you dont like it
I think it's funny how some people seem to think that when you kill in Mordor, it doesn't count or something. The only difference between Mordor and the rest of Arda is that the lawsys does not apply. If you kill someone in there, you are still causing them (and whatever guild/clan/group/etc.) the same inconvenience as would killing them anywhere else, and should expect the same retaliation as if the kill had happened anywhere else. When you kill someone in there they're not going to think, 'Hey, he killed me, but it's Mordor, so it doesn't count!', and they shouldn't. Mordor is only different in that the lawsys does not effect it.
-Fofe
All's fair in love and war, except in Mordor. When the arms stop swinging, the mouths start shooting.
We were referring to the comment made about SoU complaining until Azbakhar had to pay 35k in reimbursements to an SoU member for killing him in rp, bright eyes!
We're dwarves. By nature we're one-eyed :P
Erm, did somebody punch you guys in the eyes or something? BkD killed one of our members in Mordor, and we killed one of theirs in return (inside of Mordor!). There is no compensation for that.
Geez
That does seem reasonable. If SoU hunt and kill in what they call rp then everyone else should be able to hunt and kill them in rp with no complaints from them.
I agree with Brahm. The day I see SoU give Azbakhar 35k as RP compensation is the day I buy a Lotto ticket in every damn lottery. After which I'll be made President of the World.
I was over exaggerating a bit nicu...I'm glad we agree.
Rhoads...I know english isnt your native language, and I commend you for your mastery of it. However, this is why I sometimes get frustrated talking to you. I dont know how I can explain it any better.
I'll just say i respect your opinions and not say anything else from now on :P.
You did say it happened all the time Talan, several posts down. But at any rate, I agree with what you say in your last post :-).
Sorry Talan, I repeated simply because I tought you did not understood what I have writen due to bad english.
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Date: 13. Feb, 2003, 3:28:14 By: Talan
I have no idea what that means, rhoads.
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Proly I understood that wrong as well ;)
Ok, fuck all this killing in mordor, just go kill Brahm and Rhoads a bunch
I didnt say it happened all the time. I just said there are no 'laws' even among saurons armies. Therefore occassionally those unable to defend themselves were murdered.
Rhoads, i get tired of repeating things for you, re-read my previous posts.
I think thematic justifications are good in general. However, as has also been said before in this thread, such things do not always work in a game setting such as towers where playability, balance, technical possibilities and other things play in.
If people are killing in mordor, I believe there are both thematic, practical and other reasons for it. The thematic ones are obvious. The practical ones also: There is no lawsys, it's a relatively closed area and it's a relative power-area equipment and NPC wise.
If the SoU or others have strong thematic reasons for killing in Mordor, fine with me. I am sure it will depend somewhat on who you ask, but it doesn't really matter. Such things mainly matter if a so-called role-play event takes place in the game or something (or two guilds are having an RP thing going on). If they or others rather have practical or other reasons, that's also good. The way the game is constructed, it simply makes a lot of sense to kill people in Mordor, period. If it can be spiced up with thematical reasons (and I know it can), then it's just even better. If people want to boost their ego's playing a game, let them ;-).
All that said, I don't agree with Talan's remark that Sauron's minions killed eachother all the time. While this happened alot among various Orc tribes in the misty mountains etc., I don't believe it happened almost at all in the more organized and direct part of his army.
To any assassin in this day in age that doesn't have 60blocking, 60wild, 60tactics, and 60rm. You got fucking problems.
If you all want to bitch about Talan not killing friends? Check the log of Talan and I killing Pounder *boggles
Well, translating the previous post to proper english:
'I think it is stupid to try to make theme excuses to kill people in mordor, 'Oh high lord sauron ordered me to', and yet, you only do it to a few people, maibe except Paraiko.
To me, if you wanna kill someone in mordor, fine, kill him, kill him ten times even, but instead of making up theme excuses, just say 'we killed you because you were in mordor'.'And this was a good kill, sorry for not stating it before :P
ahh, good. finally an explanation that actually makes sense, rather than just using the same old 'we do it because we can'
Brahm, it's not like we see a Durm killing in Mordor and we just walk on by. It doesn't work like that. The thing is, most of the info we get about intruders in Mordor comes from allies that are probably killing in Mordor. But, they stop to help while we are inside dealing with the morals. So we aren't being selective about it. If I saw anyone killing Ulkhalad, ANYONE, I'd attack, as would any good Son. The reason there are less kills of Durms/DH in Mordor is because a) they know Mordor a lot better than most morals and escape easier, and b) we don't have any real means of knowing that they are killing in there. No moral would ever tell us, since we'd come in after them too, assuming we don't expect a setup. And neither would an immoral killing in Mordor tell us, for obvious reasons. We certainly PREFER to kill morals in Mordor, because it is fun, but we would still see attacking others inside as an obligation. Anyone who does let others kill in Mordor and not act against it is not doing what he/she is supposed to be doing.
Gothwin, I gotta hand it to you. It was expected, but it hit me at a very unexpected time. Well done. Nice organization. Got me good. :P With that, I'm proud to say I am the owner of some nice Resist Magic. So I don't think your staves will be doing much against me again. :P Hehe. Silly me. Well done.
I'm not talking about my OOC friends Brahm. I kill enemies of mordor in there even if they are 'ooc friends'. It sucks, but i have to.
Brahm, you may see it as an OOC exception. I see it as keeping my doors open. If I ignore you inside, it's probably due to one of 3 reasons.
1. You aren't killing in there.
2. You aren't stealing in there.
3. I have better use for you alife.Btw, that last comment sure looked shorter when I typed it out. *ugh*
I'm just pissed at SoU because we killing Nichodemus in RP at balforth, SoU bitched and whined about it, and we ended up giving him 35k in reimbursements cause we were nice about it.
And then I find a couple people killing in mordor. Snce the last time I was in mordor, i just sat around not killing anything and got attacked by SoU. Then I tell them someone's inside killing couriers, and they don't want to step up because its one of their ooc friends.
I don't see bkd, dh, amruin, koda, anyone picking and choosing. Yet SoU feels the need to. Either don't discriminate with who you are afraid of and who you aren't, or who your ooc friends are, and defend against everyone or don't even use the excuse of 'defending mordor' because its just bullshit if you do.
Gothwin, I want to share a cookie with you in Mordor :)
Rhoads, I kill in Mordor because I am forced to. Everytime I see somebody inside I get this feeling of a hand gripping my throat and saying 'Thou shall not enjoy thyself. Do thy deed for thy cause for it is your obligation to do so', or something. Now sarcasm aside...
Of course I wouldn't venture into Mordor if I didn't have some fun doing it, but I have stated many additional reasons numerous times before, which just hit a deaf ear with you (and others) it seems. But, you know what? The number of people that bitch about it, is the same as the ones thanking us afterwards, for making their experience just a little more exciting in the game, and the numbers in our favor (or acceptance) keep growing. That alone, personally makes it all worth it for me.
It is a face of our RP (yes, you heared me right) we take advantage of, but not just for our personal pleasure or gain or recognition, but to enhance and add another level to the already vast number of experiences you gain while venturing through Arda. Don't want to take part in it? Don't go to Mordor. It's not suppose to be a place for you to have a cup of tea and a cookie, and you (and others) may not agree with me, but making it more dangerous also makes it more thematic. There are already numerous people that have adapted to it, and have become quite a challenge in us driving them out of Mordor (without us getting killed in the process). Am I complaining about it? Heck no, I encourage more of it.
Well, i choose not to make exceptions to my RP because of who my OOC friends are. You guys can for all you want, but it sure as hell doesn't make me think very highly of you.
Get used to it, whenever someone dies in mordor because of SoU or udungul, someone is bound to bitch about it. Its part of the log page now, its like a tredition. Instead of saying: 'hey, nice kill! or hey nice come back', and just admire a good kill.
But noooooo, its agaist amruin and BkD policy to admire any kills by SoU in mordor, its part of their theme to bitch about it...No one is allowed to talk however, when you guys 'mistakenly' kill anyone in RP battles because you are gods and can do/say whatever you like.
You can say whatever you like in response to me, i am just giving my comment like everyone else...
And just to rap it up: Hey! Nice kill Nichodemus and SoU, it was a good come back...
I have no idea what that means, rhoads.
Well, why dont just sou says them WE ARE KILLING IN MORDOR BECAUSE WE WANT TO!
Damn it, it is more simply them try to invent some excuse for it.
You're right Talan, people don't travel arda in a blink of the eye. It takes about 30 seconds. :)
Brahm, You're talking playability now, instead of criticisizing my THEME argument thematically, you're talking about how players kill the NPCS to distribute their items all over arda. That cant be a theme argument, because thematically people dont travel all over arda in the blink of an eye. So if its not thematic, dont bother bringing it into this discussion.
Saurons minions killed each other all the time, and not just the underlings. While My character doesnt kill in mordor himself, he sure as hell wouldnt hack off his friends head for killing some beastmaster for his training prod. He'd just laugh as he held up Martalk's head by the hair. If you dont think its realistic, i dont give a shit. Makes sense to me, and I think it would happen in Tolkien's world.
You don't bitch at BkD when they pk someone in Mordor. You don't bitch at Durms when they pk someone in Mordor. You don't bitch at Daen Hecil or Rimsilval or Beornings when they pk someone in Mordor. Why, just because SoU choose to say 'I am defending this land in the name of Sauron', while pking in Mordor, do you suddenly find it so dishonorable? Roleplay? What's that!
Why doesn't anyone just say MORDOR IS A FREE PLACE TO KILL and fucking thats the end of it?:)
Jesus.
Which is why new mordor with the stupid gate guards is dumb, mordor was more dangerous without them with just PCs doing the defending
Well, I don't really think Sauron likes someone who kills his servants in Mordor. Considering that he'll tell his gate guards to kill anyone who kills his servants in Mordor, if they try to enter through the gates.
well i thinkt he idea of 'policing' mordor is pathetic, theme wise that is, if you want to kill there for the eq, or kill the people inside it that is about you, but wanna-be theme excuses to me are off hand.
considering this is actually the real middle earth, not some text game that has to take playability into account...
also I'm never sarcastic
And about gothwin, I told her that nagash and hans were inside killing couriers and she was like, 'I don't defend against my friends.'
Thats such bullshit, people don't kill things in mordor to take their positions. Someone goes into mordor to kill a bunch of shit and take their gear to distribute to the rest of arda, taking away from sauron's army. And Sauron is going to applaud them and give them a pat on the back? No wonder why he loses in the end, cause he must be a fucking moron.
Theres only one law in mordor, kill or be killed. Those not able to defend themselves will die. Ulkhalad and those like him high in power got their positions due to their ability to defend themselves. If he can't defend himself, then he dies and someone else takes over. There is no problem here; its survival of the fittest, and how Sauron runs his armies.
If you want more proof, look at how the Evil high level players kept their power. The leaders often had to deal with usurpers and people who wanted to kill them to take their rank. That was how mordor armies were run, the baddest and most fit were the leaders. I cant imagine mordor having a 'law' protecting ANYONE, lest the leaders get complacent and weak.
to their credit, I told SoU that hans was in mordor, and gothwin went in immediately and drove him out :-p
Ok, you can say whatever you want to justify it. But not everyone that SoU doesn't defend against kills only underlings, they kill Ulkhalad, couriers, martolk, githbromiel, important, maybe even vital minions in Sauron's forces. Just like Udungal kill his beastmaster. Personally, I would be pissed. I would give Sauron more credit than that. He might not care if a few stupid orcs die, because he has thousands of them, but skilled, even elite fighters/necromancers that he has put in charge? And its one thing for someone to be killing a few orcs in the OSS camp and an SoU to come defend, and another when someone is disrupting Sauron's imformation network(maybe bringing word of hobbit sightings in mordor to him) and SoU refusing to defend against a guy because he one of their friends IRL or a durm, etc.
...and whats wrong with that? What i said is still true, no matter who said it.
Well, lemme rephrase that: jump in to defend SoU's name.
*watches the Udungul, who also 'policed mordor' jump in to defend SoU*
Narrow minded morals => Brahm
'they just try to pk anyone who isnt their friend'- Brahm
Isnt that what the army of mordor does when they police mordor?
You think they kill everyone who kills in mordor? What about Shelob? What about 8000 Orc lieutenants who kill underlings for motivation of the troops, food, a comment, anything?
SoU don't police mordor, they just try to pk anyone inside that isn't their friend. It doesn't have anything to do with them protecting the NPCs though.
I can still kill there damn you.
I am gonna have to say after reading the two logs, Mordor belongs to Nich. After all, you kill him, he kills 2 of you, not to mention the fact that SoU (least Gothwin) tend to police Mordor.
These two logs are weirdly amusing both in different ways.
Mine!
Because Mordor is my playground :)
Nichodemus why would you stand in front for a group of 3 who dislike you?
Yeh yeh yeh yeh, check now
Nich, please repost your log with the PROPER TYPE! :P
What I meant to say was... 'uhhh - it was fun.'
Guess what! You died! So did your friend! :)
Trust me, they got the better deal! :P I had muchos mordor gear. I hope they post it.