Dear lord...
Personally i don't always stop to defend, when I am drunk, have low hp etc. The reason for this is that VC would spend the entire uptime protecting the forest. It is a gold mine for evils. This is strictly ooc, but it does get tiring at times.
Secondly, we don't officially protect Lothlorien anymore. We weren't allowed to do it unless we all race changed into elves, and we didn't want to force that upon people. There are still people among us who gives aid when we can. Our general official stand is that we defend anything moral as best we can. Quite an endeavor as you may realise.
Thirdly. Drive off SoB :)
Fourthly. Hmm.. eh, I'm out
Hey Alkath, i've spent weeks killing elven scouts before, with VC running past, and no one stops to bother me, I think I got a smirk from Wormbaneii once, super role play.
I seem to remember Morpheus posting a log with the exact same thing happening.
To everyone, enjoy the log, its pretty nice. I wanted to kill 2 out of 6, I had no intention to spar jaier or the Sildon fella.
To Ultilh, excuse him ,he has exams:))
To Brahm, kill me 3 times first...
To VC, I obay orders because we are in a former melitary guild. If there are reimbursements to be enforced i will obay them then question. To the rest, suck me:p
Howso, Brahm? Seeing as Arthlor was in the party that hunted and killed Jaier.
Who cares who attacked who. Kill! Everyone! Now! (Especially Theodrek)
All talk of RP aside, i like how they show their total disrespect of their GM by hunting them after he told them not to. I wonder how long it would take in a war for these guys to bail out on all the other dungs and leave the guild after they get pked like 3 times each.
'By that logic, the evils would constitute 'intrudors' everywhere in Arda, since we are not the original inhabitants, but always the invaders.'
For Udungul, except when they are in their camp, they are intruders. Just by being stationed outside of Mordor, you are intruding :-p In that sense, you **are** always invaders.
Theodrek displays Anger!
That's my comment quota for this log.
Sorry. I was watching a History Channel thing yesterday on that topic. Not that I endorse it, hell, ask Intulor, I was talking to him on AIM while watching it and commenting on how much I wanted to kill the japanese bastards for it.
Also...three people attacked Apeture. Erwin was casting a spell, don't know if it was at someone or not. Then Waste used his PK alias which already had those 5 VC in the room (what a coincidence), making him attack Erwin and Wormbaneii who were as far as I can see, not fighting. I can clearly...no, vividly remember times of Udungul bringing five people to defend their newbie-gold camp against one Amruin, one KoDA, one anything. Why? To drive off their opponents. Which is what VC were trying to do.
Theodrek: Carver only attacked with one other person.
Hmm..
**Carver attacks Apeture.**
Carver misses Apeture.
Apeture curses as the blade barely misses Carver.
Jaier rubs his hands.
**Mandrill attacks Apeture.**
Carver cracks Apeture's head with the flat of the blade!
Mandrill misses Apeture.
Apeture grins in anticipation as the blades tears away at Mandrill.
**Sildon attacks Apeture.**
Apeture hmms.
Apeture says in Westron: Let the power of the Legion guide me
Apeture starts casting a spell.
^ Azmodan: asb! fang! some stupid other weap!
Jaier says in Westron: oh yes
pk
**Erwin starts casting a spell.**
Carver misses Apeture.
Mandrill misses Apeture.
Mandrill misses Apeture.
Sildon misses Apeture.
Do: starting commands.
HP:230 EP:230> You attack Wormbaneii.
HP:230 EP:230> You attack Erwin.
HP:230 EP:230> You attack Carver.
HP:230 EP:230> You attack Mandrill.
HP:230 EP:230> You attack Sildon.
HP:230 EP:230> Do: Commands completed.
Theodrek, most of your comments made sense, but the comment reffering to the 1940's was pretty tasteless.
Waste said: Carver made it clear it was not an intention to RP by calling 6 people on 2.
You attacked them, Waste. Carver only attacked with one other person. Might I also add, I remember a time when Udungul would, well, camp in their camp with four people and wait for someone to enter just so they could all attack and kill said person. Oh, and hunt.
Tarith: do something about it.
Ultilh said: It's just stupid, go protect your forest first before protecting other lands.
I do believe Valacirca were in Caras Galadon, and most certainly were not in Edoras. Oh, by the way, why don't you have Udungul stop protecting Balforth? At least until they stop killing Beastmaster for globe. Oh, wait, wrong guild. And hey, BkD has defended Edoras before too, dwarf.
Arthlor said: and this would be the first time that I think our guild could be considered to have been in violation,
Haha. Udungul have systematically broken every single RP treaty they've ever participated in, Arthlor, and you know that.
Arthlor also said: Four, the failure of the treaty is that it doesn't call for a uniform code of punitive measures, or any form of punishments at all.
I guess it wouldn't call for punishment, seeing as you were in the party that hunted Jaier to his death. Out of RP, might I add.
Arthlor, honestly, I'm tired of your bullshit. Well, not yours, but Udungul's all together. Because you always do SOMETHING, and then bitch and complain when anyone calls you for it. Then you get yourself into wars, and what do you do? You get raped like a chinese girl at a Japanese military camp in the 1940's. It's happened, what? Three times already? Or was it two? But it's happened before. Honestly, I like you, OOC, but your guild sucks some major ass, and you seem to have no end to the bullshit you attempt to feed us with a silver spoon.
OOC forum ;p
My favorite part of this thread is when Wormbaneii refers to the hallowed VC 'roleplaying talk' as 'BSing'. hahahahaha :)
Why should it be Amruin's job??? They're clearly in Loth under Celeborn's tree.
Somebody answer me, what the hell was carver doing asking udungul to leave when it should be amruin's job to do so? All VC should do is aid in the battle to increase strength, not lead the whole thing...
I will comment a little bit, since my opinion actually matters as to how this will be resolved.
First, Sildon's death was completely within the rules of our treaty. He was manually hunted. Foraker's interpretation of the treaty that only the defenders are allowed to manually hunt is a bit of a stretch in my opinion and supposes that RP combat is only to 'defend' NPCs, and act which is utterly a waste of time. By that logic, the evils would constitute 'intrudors' everywhere in Arda, since we are not the original inhabitants, but always the invaders.
Two, it is completely appropriate to bring all the force you can muster to an RP combat situation, according to the RP treaty. No number of participants justifies its violation.
Three, the treaty itself has not been tested very often, because in the months and months since it was created, there have been very very few violations, and this would be the first time that I think our guild could be considered to have been in violation, but I hope that doesn't mean the end of the treaty, as far as we are concerned, because I know that many of our members have enjoyed a vastly larger and more enthusiastic quantity and quality of RP combat because the rules are virtually always followed.
Four, the failure of the treaty is that it doesn't call for a uniform code of punitive measures, or any form of punishments at all. It is for myself and Foraker and our guilds to resolve, which I am sure we will do, but... the treaty is inherently flawed in this way.
My 2 bits.
whats this 6 people stuff?
I only see 3 VC attacking the two dungs.
What i also see, is Waste attaking all 6 VC.
go figure :p
Hmmm, with new changes to death, everyone should go to war and should stop bitching about dying. OH bah wa wa, i lost 3 avg stats... give me a fucking break. Sure it sucks if you were actually playing a game with some type of goal. You're not, so shut your mouth. Real RP battles as I see it would come in a time of war, and they would be just that, battles. Once you locked in combat with the opposing guild it should act as if 'cuffing' a wanted person. NO ONE leaves.
Number of attackers in gangangs should be restricted to no more then 4, which would eliminate any 2 man party attacks.(4 are still managable). If changes LIKE these undeveloped propositions were considered we could in fact do away with unthematic treaties and bring some real rp elements into the game.
damn i cant spell.. sorry to see you leave.. =(
hehe too drunk irl
my few thoughts on this log is that the fact that there were 6 vc ready to attack us already shows that they are up for the kill
why else would you want 6 players on 2? so that when they are nd or sth they could all headbutt and he'll die? 4 on 2 or 3 on 2 will suffice.. unless vc are wimps that only take advantage in numbers
bah
Az i got 907 gold back.. =)
anyways sorry to see you live.. would have cherished the chance of getting pked by you or pking you.. =(
take care.. and be well
If there's some people who still haven't understood yet. Valacirca was doing roleplay, while Udungul was doing playerkilling play.
Quote from Rush:
'Aside from that, VC never protect their shitty forest, why do they all of a sudden start now? '
Funny, I've heard that ever since I joined ;P
That was not the point but ok. The only thing that really bothers me is that when X says (and he is your enemy), it is whining, and when Y says the exact same thing (Y beeing your friend), it is a 'rightfull complaint' let`s be more open minded people.
I think this is a better group of people then what Udungul had back then, and I'd think we could defend ourselves well
Yay Durad, let Udungul sart gangbang the shit out of everyone till they get pissed and Udungul starts crying about being banged and getting crushed.
Yay!
Hmmm ... killing the weakest member of a party after he's wimpied and a drunk guy - how proud you must be. I know I'm impressed.
'Nuff said. War War War! Let Udungul kick Valacirca's ass again =P And nice log, good damage there Waste =P
In fact, the mud is a waste of time, Ultith, if you start to look deeper into what we are doing. What's the use of battling for 10 mins degrading equipment, losing your 300 gold and flask sips to get a kill on mud if it wont be for real?
It's just about having fun, and everyone derives it from different things, you all should really try to have a little respect on different points of view. I remember a couple of no-pk battles, and a couple of pk-rumbles nevertheless which I deeply enjoyed.
Kinda futile to say here, yet, I'll do anyway. Fair-play makes more fun of it, whatever the type of interaction is.
Icewind Dale!
Balders gate 2 is obsolete.
NeverWinter all the way!!!
All I can see here is VC is a crying bunch of humans and dont like dying
Instead of arguing so much about the same things, you guys should vary stuff a little, like I am doing, for instance, Baldur's Gate II is a hell of a cool game you know :)
RP is just a waste of time if there's no killing in it. What the hell is the use of me battlling with you for 10 minutes, wasting 300 gold on healing, flask, degrading my EQ, whatever just so that when i say 'leave now or leave with your bodies' im only in character and won't actually kill you. If I catch somebody in erebor i'd hunt them all the way to erebor gate, and if they dont get out i sure as hell would put them out of their misery.
Let's cut this newbie shit of i don't know how to defend myself and move east when i'm near death and let's play like real men shall we?
*really wants to see Grady roast Jiread*
Aside from that, VC never protect their shitty forest, why do they all of a sudden start now?
Why the HELL would VC protect amruin's land and they'd be doing all the talking when amruin themselves aren't? It's just stupid, go protect your forest first before protecting other lands.
That mass treaty leaves thing pretty open for each guild. It pretty much only stops two or three things.
The main one of them is hunt command.
If you get a kill without hunt, then great for you, bad for them to not move.
This log, in my eyes, and as an outside to the battle, shows Dungs blatently breaking that treaty, effectily making Arthlors signiture on the traty worth nothing.
I did not see VC, not once break any of the agreements policys.
The agreement is more of a guide, with very few actualy rules in it.
Del
Jiread, stop making shit up. That's just common courtesy. However, I don't see why you're even talking when you're the most insignificant person in Amruin. At least Rhoads would be quasi-difficult to kill if he left his guild hall. You, I'd roast your fucking ass and you know it.
I fail to see why DH always is so 'Oh, you're making deals, that's lame. I mean, you're enemies!' When DH themselves was oh so quick to make a 'deal' with us about returning gear from players killed in RP combat. All to make sure they shouldn't loose their precious uniques.
Now we can only hope Udungul doesn't start crying if VC pulls the same shit on them.
treaties are lame. you're guilds at opposite ends of the spectrum. why the hell would you be making deals
I should point out something else in the treaty that was a violated it seems.
From the treaty:
1) There is no hunting by assassins. Manual following is allowed to drive intruders or invading parties away.
Manual hunting is allowed to drive INTRUDERS or INVADING PARTIES away. As Valacirca was defending lothlorien, and Udungul were the intruders, Waste's and Apeture's manual hunting of Sildon was a violation.
Most definatley.
Yes it was.
Oh yea, take care all. Was fun.
Donsux, how much did you get from the fines? :P
Waste, you are a waste of anyones time. :) I just wasted time, wowzers.
Hmm, it seems I made a mistake. The 2003 RP treaty no longer requires bandaging, the older ones did.
To Azbakhar...
pk is an alias i always use to fight in combats, kinda like j for most people, i use pk. And, who are DH so you would compare me to them? What they do with their own business is their business, and what I do in my business, is my own business. I never said I came there to RP.. The fact that I followed and used a hunter kinda implies it directly. It was VC's Style of calling everyone they know that wrecked them, and its your stupid tongue that will make me kill your stinky dwarf ass if it does not shut up.
Your argument that it was an attempted PK by Valacirca is decidedly flimsy. There is NOTHING in the treaty limiting the number of combatants on each side. Carver's statement to 'leave now if you want to leave with your lives' was an RP, in character, statement. All guilds say similar things. Would you call this a declaration that Valacirca is planning to PK?
Carver points his sword at the duo. 'Since you will not respond to reason, perhaps you will respond to force. You have been given a chance and failed to take it. The Sickle stands at the ready and now, it's tip will shine fast and sharp.'
Don't be ridiculous. As to attacking when you aren't in combat with a moral NPC. You are enemies of Lothlorien, I'm sure when aligned you all have multiple murders on you. In RP, we're supposed to let you sit there peacefully? There's no way any reasonable person can say that this wasn't RP combat on behalf of Valacirca. Violations of the treaty, as I can see, are the following:
1) Failed to bandage Sildon (Apeture 'put him out of his misery') Sildon only bled once
2) Waste, Apeture, and Gallor hunted Jaier with Gallor leading.
3) Failure to bandage Jaier while bleeding to death. (Apeture 'put him out of his misery')
Jaier bled only once.
4) Waste, Apeture, and Gallor hunted Wormbaneii with Gallor leading
From the log it seems quite clear that Apeture either have a kill on bleeding trigger, or he deliberately finished Sildon and Jaier off. Both of them bled only once. I will be mailing Arthlor.
correct me if I am wrong...(I could be) but where does it say you have to bandage someone in rp? I do not think the treaty says anything about that, in fact you can follow someone manually in hopes of killing them. Why the hell would you bandage ANYONE in rp, unless it is a guildmate?
fuck rp, only real rp is war!
Waste, your alias was eve 'pk' jesus christ man. No we were there to RP, oh wait, we didn't RP we pk'd the WHOLE time. Wait, we hunt in THEIR territory, even DH doesn't hunt in the territory they are attacking, they just beat the defenders off. You're just an idiot if call this 'accelerated RP'. Apeture, they align you, them being residents in Lothlorien shows if you are nuetral or whatever, it's obvious that you kill honor guards, so they come to defend. RP style turned to Dung pk. Nice.
well, that sure is some nice rp there, the hunt part I mean
Would just like to point out Carver's RP warning.
Before a great golden tree(e and u)
Erwin Idlemaster the dunlending Archmage (Angelic)
Carver Phethdain-i-Ta the silvan Judicator of the Harvest Road
Sildon the dunedain Mountaineer (Angelic)
Mandrill the dunedain Wolf Spirit (Angelic)
Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Scythe of Arnor
Apeture Painophil the dunedain Archmage (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
Waste the dunedain Warlord (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
<HP:230 EP:219> At the lowest flet(e, d, u and w)
<HP:230 EP:219> d
Before a great golden tree(e and u)
Erwin Idlemaster the dunlending Archmage (Angelic)
Carver Phethdain-i-Ta the silvan Judicator of the Harvest Road
Sildon the dunedain Mountaineer (Angelic)
Mandrill the dunedain Wolf Spirit (Angelic)
Wormbaneii of Valacirca the dunedain Scythe of Arnor
Apeture Painophil the dunedain Archmage (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
Waste the dunedain Warlord (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
<HP:230 EP:219> Carver points his sword at the duo. 'Since you will not respond to reason, perhaps you will respond to force. You have been given a chance and failed to take it. The Sickle stands at the ready and now, it's tip will shine fast and sharp.'
^ Azmodan: Mordor is played out
Wormbaneii goes 'WHEE!!'.
ahy
What?
<HP:230 EP:220> Waste args.
ahoy
You holler: Ahoy there sailor!
<HP:230 EP:220> Carver cracks his knuckles.
^ Caber: Mordor: Owned or owning?
Apeture says in Westron: You guy's need this many people?
Apeture says in Westron: I guess we must be strong :)
Carver attacks Apeture.
rub hands
Carver misses Apeture.
Apeture curses as the blade barely misses Carver.
You rub your hands.
<HP:230 EP:221> Mandrill attacks Apeture.
Carver cracks Apeture's head with the flat of the blade!
Mandrill misses Apeture.
Apeture grins in anticipation as the blades tears away at Mandrill.
Sildon attacks Apeture.
say oh yes
Apeture hmms.
Apeture says in Westron: Let the power of the Legion guide me
Apeture starts casting a spell.
^ Azmodan: asb! fang! some stupid other weap!
You say in Westron: oh yes
<HP:230 EP:221> Erwin starts casting a spell.
Carver misses Apeture.
Mandrill misses Apeture.
Mandrill misses Apeture.
Sildon misses Apeture.
Waste attacks Wormbaneii.
Waste attacks Erwin.
Waste attacks Carver.
Waste attacks Mandrill.
Waste attacks Sildon.
Jaier should be given 3k from both Apeture and Waste, and so should Wormbaneii be given also. If they're going to follow the treaty.
I called for a wizard to counter Apeture, but that entire time we were having a 'RP' discussion of which you showed only the last part. Regardless, Sildon should have been bandaged because of the treaty between our guilds, AND Jaier and I should not have been hunted for the same reason.
Things get weird in big battles aye, but our treaty does call for restitution in this matter.
Wormbaneii, you were calling people, not BS'ing.
Heh, how about that for a misspell of Theodrek!:P
look again, only 3 people attacked, then you got sob crazy ;p
and if we were gonna attempt you, we wouldn't stand around and bs for 5 min first
Ah god Theoderick, Carver made it clear it was not an intention to RP by calling 6 people on 2. Apeture told me he was going to be attempted thats why I came. And the SoB is always in my second baldric so it came into use this time. And toward the hunting that happened after sildon, well, I guess it went out of control. But I did think Jair was enough and I tried leaving the party when it was heading toward Wormbaneii because I liked the guy and thought we did enough.
Want me to say it? Yes, it was ugly. However, it was all for good fun and 'advanced' RP which VC seemed to call for.
Waste
RP! Ever hear of it shit dip? If I was out to kill you then why was I shaping you every 5 seconds? You guys start killing our members and I come back drunk to try to help one of em get home and this happens. The funny thing is you claim it's self defense. Do you really think that people believe that you are that stupid? Oh wait maybe you are.
Jaier didnt attack me in RP combat, what was he protecting? As you all can see they outright attacked me, I just defended myself
woo, i'm an 'asshole'!!!!
Good log.
I'll rate this a three until I understand it, then I'll give this a better rating. :P
I'm wondering. I would've sworn that Jaier had attacked you in RP and even Arthlor said not to hunt, but then you grab Gallor with Arthlor in your party and hunt him and kill him?
I may have missed something. Clarify?
Dont mess with the power of Udungul, That will teach VC a damn lesson in learning manners