A conversation with Draugluin before about corpselooting. G-unit and other people. its always the same typist doing it on new chars.
'Maybe, just maybe, you're starting to get it.
Probably not, though. Heli can't read, Daywalker can't read, I won't be overly optimistic.'
-Thank you for that retort Draugluin, its all clear to me now...I can't read!(great argument point made above) that explains why I have read most there is by now, really i have, also the old file on corpselooting that left it for the mc to deal with, the one you changed, remember? But i still haven't found the line where it say's that no matter what, its allways up to the admin who gets away with what in the end of the day, can you direct me to that file?
I'd say the former, Ehtyar.
I thought that people were reported for corpselooting at a courthouse, and after 5 reports they were punished. Or has that changed?
when i was young and was a corpse looter, sorry Corpus.
the only thing i was complaining about was that Drauglunin decreased two stats in intelligence on me, i mean he could have taken one instead of two!!, so please have some sympathy to the corpselooters too...
or should i say corpuslooters.
nm...erm
WAZZA!/Ghulz
//cry baby cry//
//It's an interesting subject to discuss, but stop the flaming please, and let's be constructive.//
Let's all shut the f*ck up and quit whining rather. :-P
Nicuramar put things pretty well.. there are no laws against it, and I ehm.. agree with Draugluin? Quit your b*tching and do something about it.
What happen to putting 2 people in a room together and letting them settle it all out themselves or getting trapped in mordor for a few days.
When a log like this (essentially just two conflicting points of view) is rated 1, does that imply disagreement with the poster or the ...the other guy? (the word I'm looking for unfortunately eludes my mental grasp)
God, all you people just expect the gods to work out all your problems. It's pathetic.
Not even a [ snip, adm. ] to mark the grave. :/
Someone censored something. How extremely distasteful, considering said something had nothing more than a well-timed retort in it.
From this log I just saw Draugluin be very reasonable. For a wolf that's very kind!
Maybe, just maybe, you're starting to get it.
Probably not, though. Heli can't read, Daywalker can't read, I won't be overly optimistic.
I have reported 2 corpseloots when the person that looted did it instantly, i didnt get a 2 second delay.
Draugluin got those reports and as it seems he didnt care about that bug.
they might as well delete that 2 second delay.
To be fair, i am in agreement with Amearn, and the majority here. Corpse looting is something that is not a problem, in fact it is one small gateway into being able to get something for nothing, and should be exploited more, and also not illegal.
That said, Waste has actually made the best points so far about the laws system, or supposed system, which is meant to stop such things from happening. OK, so you lose your claim. I don't believe in claims on stuff, unless you actually make the kill, then you have adequate time to get the stuff from the corpse. A claim, standing at uptime at MELS? If you land the deathblow, and are too slow to pick up the weapon, whose fault is that? You can't say that it happened because the guy looting was good, you can say the guy that was looted from was stupid not having a trigger set, or hitting his alias.
As regards changes, yeah, most changes that are constructive and make the game more fun are good. That is the reason for all of the polls atm. Still, we shall see what will become of the results.
Killing people is becoming more of a point of principal, rather than trying to destroy peoples spirits. Maybe i view this wrong, but towers is actually a community, and although you have enemies, they are not people whose spirits you are trying to destroy, as August seems to think, rather they are rivals that you strive to be better than. August could easily sort his life out with a few friends, and wait until the looting charachter was alone. There really is no need to whine so much about it.
Anybody else agree?
Greetings,
Personally, I think it's refreshing to see Powers not interferring too much in the affairs of mortals. I've been on a few muds (including this one) where I felt that wasn't always the case (and also there were instances when mortals... like myself or this guy... took their affairs to the Powers when they should've just dealth with it).
Blah, it's a lesson... Let's not be too hard on this little whiner. Live and Learn...
My own opinion is this... corpse looting is a problem, but it's best dealth with by players. those who feel impotent, generally take their problems to the powers.
Cheers,
Yffern
Well Draugluin anyways. I never seen someone getting nuked for corpse looting or smth. Even assholes (sorry for the word) like Bakal and Azmodan with over 3 warnings got funny punishments like leprosy or ainur jail for some days. And we see nukes every day for the smallest things.. I say not us get our balls togather and kill each other but the Ainurs get their heads togather and make this mud even a better place than what it is now.
Because Demandred as stated below, there used to be a time when such low acts were actually punnished so that a player who (because of level/skill/personal preference about p-kills etc) wasn't able to revenge him self, would still be protected from low-life act's like loots and harassments. Personaly I have no problem with dealing with it if forced to, but I shouldn't have to, no more than your average newbie should. If all of us were equal before the law/lawsys, and so on..
Why would you piss and moan about being corpse looted? Why dont you just hike up your skirt, grab your balls, and go get revenge?
Actually I think Waste is absolutely right. There are rules or atleast used to be rules and punnisments equal for almost all. For those who remember, there was a time in the history of Arda when all disagreements weren't solved by cold steel in the back, when most abusers, of any form and level were dealt with by the admins or the lawsys.
Unfortunately Draugluin seems to not want it that way, in his world violence is the way, and the only way to deal with people beeing jerks is to kill them. So for as long as the Admins wants this to go on this is a Pk mud, for good and bad, like it or leave...
Atleast those are the signals given, both in this log and in previous similar discussions.
Just have a look at two of the recent changes for example:
1: Cap's on murder fines, what does that lead to but more P-kills?
2: Several can grab the same Contract, more way's for assassins to find suitable targets and to make sure they get the lowered fines who ever gets the killing blow in.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not against changes, changes are good, but not blindly, when one makes a change, they must also have the ability to stop and evaluate it after a while. -Would be nice to see some changes catering to players that act's like functioning members of a society rather than sociopats.
Personaly I think it stinks to high heaven that the people that for some reason prefer to act like scumbags are beeing catered to, before the vast majority of very nice and decent players(regardless of alignment). I can but hope that they will all one day make the error of scumming the alt of a power, wouldn't be a wild guess to say that I think that will change things rapidly...
If anyone actually read the helpfile, people wouldn't say ignorant things like 'Draugluin write some corpselooting rules and does not care if anyone follows them or not.'
help corpselooting contains two definitions, and one rule about harassment and newbie harassment.
READ people, READ. It /is/ a text game, afterall.
It's an interesting subject to discuss, but stop the flaming please, and let's be constructive.
cry baby cry
Anyway. Draugluin write some corpselooting rules and does not care if anyone follows them or not. At least remove them from the help corpselooting. and remove the report for corpselooting so people don`t waste time writing stupid reports and hope that someone will get what he deserves.
MY POV.
Btw August is cool. Amearn ain`t cool every year from July end till the middle of September.
Waste has a valid point, I think.
well that makes sense, Waste is a whining fool of course he is going to agree with a moron like August
i think august is trying to point out that there are some people who do not enjoy the pkilling aspect of the game. there is nothing wrong with that and thats his own affair to deal with. He is, however, pointing out the fact that when you are not interesting in pkilling, you end up not having anyone but the ainur to turn to when some one offend you. In th case of corpse-looting, which btw was officially implemented by Draugluin, Azarael, August wanted to report whoever looted him. Its true that August is able to place 100k C on each one of those characters (he really can), but since there IS A WRITEN RULE OF CORPSE LOOTING, which protects him, he shouldnt need to place a contract or have them killed.
I respect August's standards of not pkilling people for no reason, and since there are rules to protect him, he should indeed be protected. The excuse of him being a highlevel should not matter since the rules do not exclude highlevels and include all citizens of Arda. ;)
Well, [snip, adm.] you [snip, adm.] then [snip, adm.] and [snip, adm.] all the way [snip, adm.]. God damn newb, [snip, adm.] [snip, adm.].
You know what I think? I think you're all a bunch of mother f [snip, adm.]
Hope you can understand THAT.
who cares?!
Yeah Hobson, I took the liberty of changing your comment slightly, to make it fit on the screen. I think I preserved the message in it.
Not having read the logs, my general views is that if there are no lawsys or otherwise rules against something like this, it's ok to do it. You might not get liked much, but that's a choice. Just like if you quit every time you are attacked. It's not illegal (as far as I know), so if the same person quits on you ten times in a row, well bad luck for you pretty much.
Of course guilds often impose some morale on their members as to what they can and can't do. That's a different story.
And by the way August, 'there' should be 'their' and 'couldent' should be 'couldn't' in your comment. You know, the one where you accuse Hobbe of not being able to spell ;-).
rotfl, [snip, adm.] that's funny :P
Hmm winnetou, like what you say means shit to me?
Date: 27. Aug, 2003, 0:49:21 By: Winnetou
btw, this 'get a life' is used by everyone who thinks is cool but indeed isnt cool. hyporcrits you know:P
Date: 27. Aug, 2003, 0:48:49 By: Winnetou
raqtor, me?????? me cool:P august cool too
hahahahahaahahahhahahahaaahahhahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHHA [snip, adm.].
ha.
Everyone GET A LIFE!
This is just one game damn it!
btw, this 'get a life' is used by everyone who thinks is cool but indeed isnt cool. hyporcrits you know:P
raqtor, me?????? me cool:P august cool too
Dude, you really got issues, Draugluin has the whole affair in order. If he took anything you had into account we would have to call the two towers , Sesame Street.
Weak ass shit if you ask me.
lol Whine whine ... get a life ;-)
Hoboson, shut up already. i told ya.
August, all this whining is not going to get you anywhere. If you want anything done, do so constructively.
But remember, cheese is good. That is the key to all that is sacred.
stop this shit already. august is cool and i dont care what you wrote in the last 16comments but he's cool!!!!
Theodrek what about the Police and the Law irl, if your robbed?
I must intervene! Because of course, everyone wants to know my opinion. August, Draugluin is right. Let's look at this from a different angle. You're 19 years old. You're being pushed around by a bunch of bullies who are also 19 years old. So you go whine to the your mom (or in this case, dad, Draug) who tell you to suck it up and fight back. You're a big boy. You can kill big things. Just make some friends, catch one of your harassers unaware, beat the hell out of them and offer a truce between you and them, or you'll kill them and their friends until they agree to stop. The reason they enforce it in regards to lowbies more is because more often than not, lowbies are actual newbies. And there is a big difference in the sum of things for a lowbie and a high level player to kill. Oh, hey, ainur can be nuked too. Anyone remember Elmo, when he was? Or, more recently, Nichodemus? Thanks.
Oh i forgot, about me being scared of being nuked.
Whoever has been here for 5 years or more should know that people have been nuked for less.
Azarael wrote:
Draugluin didn't necessarily make that policy, he wasn't Power when the corpselooting protection was implemented. There aren't any bugs with it that I have seen. You already get 2 seconds of free time, what more do you want?
Azarael have you actually tried that, ive seen when people that havent been in combat instantly pickup items from a corpse when You killed 'npc' comes
Or maybe it just works on all the npc's in MT
Shrug
august the point in killing isn't to break their spirit, rather to satisfy yours....
I love reading what hobbe has to say and the way he says it =P
hrm, it's weird not being the one not bitching and moaning for once, so i think i'll just throw in, you all suck :P
Place big contracts on all of them, take justice into your own hands. Become a vigilante.
I think Azarael summed it up better than anyone.
Azarael i know you support the Mortals creating and solving there own problems, well howcome you arent on the offence in any matter.
Hobbe, you dont get nuked cause you cant spell and never make sense, you couldent insult/make anyone angry if you had 100 years to try. Most everyone laughs at your meaningless comments.
Calacirya, fighting them back wouldent do a thing, as they hardly lose anything from the death, the losing side is the side that is paying the fines. Cap'ing the murder and attempted fines didnt do anything but give people more ability to gain that adrenaline rush that most people love. Solo playerkilling can be worth it. 2 people/borderline (in klouse's case not worth it)
3-4-5 people way not worth it.
If people think people's spirit is broken from death sure maybe, but in my case its not, those who know me, know that
ya, its just a game august, cool down, do what draugluin said, go kill them, its not really that hard, grab 4 friends, buy some weapons, and all trigger a different break, and wait, if you wait long enough, you'll find them in a bad spot, and bang, the guys dead.(if you trigger some of the right breaks.....) oh, but do it with 2 people, that way your not considered a 'banger'
Hmm your afraid of ainus nukeing you? Man stop being a wimp if you think its so damn wrong and you fell like yelling at Draug do it then and don't come here on the log pages and whine justbecause you think draug will nuke you. I mean i have been whinning at like all ainus and all i got was spin the whell. Go me. get a life its just a game.
August could you be any more ridiculous? Thank god we have an ainu such as Draugluin that doesn't pussify the mud for people like you.
Draugluin didn't necessarily make that policy, he wasn't Power when the corpselooting protection was implemented. There aren't any bugs with it that I have seen. You already get 2 seconds of free time, what more do you want?
If you were a man, you'd take Draugluin's advice and go get yourself some retribution against those who have wronged you. Whining to Draugluin isn't going to win you any friends or allies, at least certainly none that could assist you.
I'm glad there are people who don't play by these dumbass 'home rules' which attempt to create some kind of 'honor code' that is outside the scope of your character's roleplayed honor code. It's pretty childish.
Oh well i guess every guild might as well have a lvl 6 join them when they get uniques or reset them, cause then if something gets corpselooted the ainu might actually do something, doubt they will do more then delete the lowbie char that corpselooted, while that persons main char and accepting guild is unthreatend. Grady you and your guild are the last to understand this, as you guys live off donations of corpselooted items. As do durmanhoth.
This was from 2 weeks ago, my account didnt get activated until now, and as g-unit corpseloot Alot, i thought it a rather good time to show that They can do as they wish as it seems
I can't spell.
What the fuck is your problem? You're just being a pussy about the whole affair. Why the hell else do you think Draulguin said?
Why don't we all start bitching how its unfair lowbies have training for so cheap, or how they can 'consider' an opponent. Draulguin isn't the bad guy, you're just a marked bitch.