I just wanted to get people's opinion on what they think constitutes a best pkiller and who those pkiller's are (in their opinion) throught Arda's history. I know this should go to the discussion forum but alsmot noone reads those so I am posting it here so it will get noticed. Moderators can move it to the discussion forum section if they wish
You know, I think Connor is the only person here who is making sence, that is the best name ever.
Fuck this thread.
Hmm. A bit late, but add Garmir to the list of great assassins.
-otoron
Rendor,
My apologies for using your name, but you claimed you were the best assassin this game has ever known. You claimed to have surpassed really great players... Players who are friends and respected enemies of mine. Players who should not be disrespected or talked of 'surpassing'. I thought it necessary to express my thoughts on the subject. Given some may not know such details about your relationship to players you claim to have surpassed...
Let me explain my side of the story: I was around like 5 years ago... I suicide Marsellus and about 6 months later show up as a new character. I ask who are the best players in this mud, and someone mentions the name Rendor. I was like... Rendor? Who the hell is that? When I found out who it was, and that you'd become good friends with Dravin/Valerian (something I forgive you for), and that you'd obtained their aliases (which even Dravin and Valerian boasted were a gold mine... but perhaps they lied). Well? Your sudden improvement was quite a shock, and if not sheer coincidence I at least have a reasonable explanation. I'm not alone in this opinion among old friends of yours.
Good assassins need gold and ways of making gold quickly. Good assassins need huntbreaks and other things you'd find in those aliases. If you didn't use them, why did you obtain them?
I think I've made my point. From my perspective, you can see why I've said the things I did. I'd rather have kept my views to myself, but then again I wasn't the one touting I had surpassed players like Fjant, Dravin/Valerian, Kerosion, etc. You are a very good player, and among the new era players you are easily top 5. If I were to come back, I'd be in the bottom 50% right now. I likely couldn't hold a candle to your current level of play, but then again I'm not addicted as I was (18+ hrs/day) and I have some sort of RL I like to keep up with outside of sleep.
I'll let it all rest... Respond as you want. I wasn't trying to slight you, merely setting the record straight as my perspective on the situation allows. I apologize for any insult or disrespect I have likely caused.
Cheers,
Marsellus
Oh well... best, not best... who the hell cares? I know most people that brag about themselves and their mad skills probably have something to back them up... something like skills?
I've seen alot of good killers through my ages here on t2t. I've killed together with alot of them... i've seen 'the best' in action alot of times. I've eluded some of them too, or fought them off. And my conclution now at this point is: Nobody manages to impress me any more, it's mostly about 'how big balls you got' and how many people you can insult or intimidate in the least time. Looking through the comments here makes me sick mostly. But, hey, that's just me. :)
Seeing how people mouth off and try to be as big as possible in the shadow of a handfull of kills and some smart ideas does not inspire respect in me. Now i'm just blabbering... when i think about it, i just miss the time when i could judge people by their actions and did not have to see all the silly flaming and bitching at each other... some people are just too full of themselves.
I'm not saying i'm better than anyone here... Just saying i'm tired of immature blabbering and 'posers'. Personally i'm the bloke that likes to tag along on pk's just to do massive damage and nothing else... ill leave the thinking to people that know the 'hunt' better than me... And am i not lucky? It seems most people here claim to be the best anyways, so there is no shortage on people to tag along with.
Have fun, it's just a game after all... isn't it? Sometimes I begin to wonder...
Btw, Marsellus, I love you. Get my AIM or Yahoo from Caber or something and you and Throm add me. I miss talking about Dave Matthews and telling Throm his wife wants to come to Texas.
20 and spelling errors! i can't type :P
rar! cos if i did i'd be typing about 29 words a minute with spelling and not make it to the hunt break and spend 2 minutes selling each set of stuff!
and i fail to see why laziness of not typing everything out every single time instead of using an alias makes me a bad player.
for me making gold in linhir is any type of eq, jerkies, 1 mud alias to sell. yeah, i'm so bot like and stuff
I am sad to see that the thread is dying out without people stating their opinion on what makes a good assassin
I'm glad to see no one disagrees with me ;D
Maybe I had a different set of Dravin's aliases, but the set I had wasn't very useful to me at all. Most recently when he was around he drew up this macro set for travelling with a boat, those were pretty nice. But I really ended up asking myself what was the point of going places extremely fast, I'm far too to fly around like that. I sorta like the downtime travel takes, its less shit I have to type even though I mainly handtyped.
That was tight Rendor:) and Gothwin? *snorts
Yeah, Marsellus, I died to you a bunch. In fact, it was a lot like the Namarik situation, if I recall.
My first character, Chewy, ended up being something like 60-70 days old, and I was level 14 almost 100% of the time. I didn't know aliases. I barely knew my way out of Mordor, but would go time and again. I died like a stupid newbie. I died dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times. I got my ass kicked right and left...and then I started hanging out with Valerian and Dravin. We sat around and talked about ways to kill people, how to do things better, how to huntbreak, hell, I barely knew what a huntbreak was at that point.
About this time I had decided to make a new character...I named him Rendor. He was about 30 days old or so at the time of the Topeka Kansas mudparty. He was still a ranger, as well. Then I met Fjant and Canther and Rathmar in person. I became their friends, too. I did not 'suddenly' get better. It was a long, long, long process. I did not use Valerian or Dravins aliases. Hell, I didn't even know HOW. I didn't use zmud for two years, and it was two more before I knew how to even load a settings file.
If I'd been able to use dravin and valerians settings and make mass gold, I think I'd be a helluva lot better than what I am now, too. I've always had problems making gold, never been good at it, and never ever ever used scripts for it. I've made myself a few aliases and such since moving to Chicago with my brother, but its not like what I used to have. When I go from Loth to Edoras, I don't use aliases, I walk by hand. I remember it was so hard to kill Ulric because he did it the same way.
Being a manual player doesn't make you worse - it makes you better. Having a client to give you a path everywhere you want to go may let you act more like a machine and less like a human, but you're not getting any better that way.
When I made a kill, I always make a new pk alias for that target. I don't have my client set it up for me and auto-change all my aliases etc. I never have. Maybe I should.
Being able to run to Linhir with the MELS and a phial and a flask and an alias to make gold, and if attacked, running a series of double breaks and fading and getting away doesn't make you a good player, Daywalker, Winnetou, Duncan, Iago, et all.
The mark of a good player is his timing, his planning, his ability to predict the moves of his opponents. Being able to see a bang coming and trying to turn it around instead of just breaking are things that 99% of players today wouldn't even attempt, let alone do.
Maybe that's why DH were so surprised by GV in Mordor a while back.
But hey, what do I know? Dravin's Client wrote all this for me, I just hit alias 'urnoobler2'
I would have to say I would agree with Sime, especially in modern times, that gothwin is probably one of the best killers.
Maybe not in terms of completed versus attempted.
But, hell I know I used to run finds on gothwin if she was on and I was in mordor.
Yes I know she's not the only member of SoU, but she was the only person I ever ran finds on, maybe thats the reason she only managed to nail me once (maybe twice, I forget).
I dunno, but none of the people who people have been saying have ever worried me quite so much as seeing (and I'm guessing here as I haven't run a find for months) 'Gothwin is in mordor at Narchost'. Plus and this is just a bonus, she was never to uptight about it, she never boasted about nailing someone, hell I used to revive and chat with her (safely outside mordor of course).
Balder killing ER's, how hard was that in mordor, Rendor hope you didnt include ER's in that 7-8hundred you think youve killed, cause its not really the same thing. As they were not much harder then killing newbies.
and i'm serious, gimme gimme! i wanna be good!
i think i should have learned what someone else did because apparently i blow from doing my own work. who wants to gimme some aliases and info!
Id say Piotyr, as he the only Assassin to claim all his fame with one single name, Rendor 7-800 kills, all on the name Rendor, i doubt that.
Changing names and pking isent hard, staying the same name and having people know to watch out when you log on is harder. Piotyr had to drop his stone all the time to prevent people from quitting. People running from finds and creating new chars just to pk cheap and without old enemys knowing who to watch out for, thats no skill.
And either is using Zmud to do every single thing for you to anti huntbreak.
Gothwin needs special credit too, she has been around for a long time, killed alot of people while also not only focused only on playerkilling and i cant say ive heard here brag as much as other's do about there 'skills' as some here do.
I don't care what anyone says. Barazbund is one hell of a defensive player and smart as hell. He is the only person that I have tried solo over 5 times and have failed each one. Including one where he locked me up. With piotyr outside and yet he still mananaged to hb at nd.
I just love that guy:)
On another note, I've played with alot of the so called greats, and as I said before and what I think. I still hold true to it.
Summon was a correct word for Wanderer... *smirks* Great player, but sort of same stigma as Kerosion (elite nonetheless)... Summoning people into lockable rooms does not exactly inspire greatness. However, it was an era where hunt was 5ep per room... here's a huntbreaker e,w,e,w,e,w,e,w,e,w,e,w,e,w,e,w...
Wanderer was a stud tho. Transport was a nice spell too. Wizards also didn't start combat back then with fireballs, and you could fireball someone who wasn't paying attention pretty easily. Remember, the highest level when Wanderer left the game was only level 14 (and even less when he was living).
Anyway, good to remember old times... some older than even I can remember.
and I HIGHLY doubt that Rendor has played without '*any* aliases' for the last few months.
Er, if you don't use aliases you can't be a good player nowadays. Not to talk about playerkilling and being the best.
*cough* Perry...
That log you speak of, where rendor chased me around arda and where i had tons of healing and hit hard on every hit...You forgot to mention the 4 other people he had in his party, one of whom i killed. Its not like it was a solo or something, i just made them all run away with my SoB :P This is the log:
http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/1034
Rendor never killed me solo, nor did he ever attempt it...
And as for this whole string...I've always said theres something like 20 top killers out there, and you cant rank them one better than another.
if we're talking about Fjant...why havent we mentioned Wanderer? He summoned hundreds to their graves. Also Solkan was badass.
Incidentally, Fjant gangbanged too...I dont know why people always forget this. Funny story...Fjant Creed and Almear all walk into the DWH lair and BS Khufu. Khufu has a trap set up...in the FORSAKENN INN...christ thats a long run thinks khufu...but..what the hell..tries it anyways. Back in these days, there was no redhorn pass, so it was all the way around the misties...lemme tell you, loth to bree is a long run with 3 people fighting you and armour doing jack shit as it did in those days. Anyways, Khufu gets the idea around bree that this trap thing wasnt such a good idea... hits the juice healer in tookland...heals up a bit...and breaks in Belegost inn. Hows that for the longest huntbreak ever?
Azarael,
What exactly are you protesting? I said he was an average player, then obtained aliases from Valerian and Dravin, and later became a good player. That doesn't mean he uses the same aliases now, but his tactics and play level improved greatly at the same time... Coincidence? I think not.
The game changes... I lost all my aliases I used to use. BTW, for some assassins, a few settings files don't make much difference... BUT, to Dravin and Valerian they did... That's how they made their gold with about the most advanced mini-quest aliases on the planet. I also imagine huntbreaks would be important to an assassin also.
If you are denying your laptop companion didn't improve his game as a direct result, then you have to believe it was sheer coincidence his skills improved afterward. Can you blame people for asking these questions?
I know it sucks to be called something like a 'freeloader' with hand-me-down skills, but after Rendor opened his mouth and proclaimed himself the best assassin in the game I had to set some of his record straight.
Cheers,
Marsellus
Hey marsellus,
Let's get to the point. You're completely full of shit. I sit next to rendor when he plays. I know which aliases he's using and has used. He doesn't use Dravin's or valerian's aliases. I don't know why you think some settings could make you a good assassin, or somehow settings let you lose parties of 5 and turn around and kill 2. settings can do all that for you?
Rendor hardly uses any aliases at all. most things he types in by hand. I watch him play, I know. In fact, for the last few months he's been using one of MY laptops that didn't have *any* aliases at all.
take your shit slinging circumstantial accusations somewhere else.
Azarael
this argument is too hard to determine a 'rightful' winner. Every qualified assassin has their own unique style, and it is those that bring a little something else to the mud that demand my respect. This can be done by either discovering a new way to kill someone or by bringing a new attitude that makes players run finds just so they can avoid their ass. They need to be calm and collective and quick learners. Players who are merely 'copycats' in both style and form are certainly less deserving and benefit from the actions of a predescessor who has set the example for them to modify.
Old school is the foundation that has allowed everyone to build off of. It doesn't hurt to also show a little modesty. The best assassins and the ones who have most impressed me, go about their business with little vanity and do not flame. They merely go about their business, and do it expectionally well, where you can't help but give them their due.
He didnt pkill all that much as a Member of Meglivornth, Shock was more active there *and he was a wiz*
piotyr's 165days old, i wouldn't count that as inactive
What about Teleris?
Piotyr was good no doubt there, but he wasnt active enough to get the *Skills* we talk about.
Beroth on the other hand KICKED BUTT!
I realize this thread is starting to wind down, but I feel 2 people's names aren't up here that should be. Piotyr and Beroth, they were both really good IMO.
1.Fjant
2.Kheldar
3.Old Rendor *Kickin ass in mordor vs evil race Style*
4. Beroth
Theese assassins with more skills than your average Jo with copyed scripts.
And Btw FOBOS rocked!
Very good comment there, Marsellus
Greetings,
Sheesh, Chewy! I killed your ass about 14 times, then you mysteriously gained some level of credibility when players like Fjant, Mutalator (yeah, I should name this guy... he wasn't that great, but he was noteworthy), Marsellus, Dravin and Valerian left the game. I think it's no coincidence... You were friends with Dravin and Valerian, and obtained all their aliases. You, among others... Many others, mostly BKD... That's not to diminish what you have accomplished, but to say crap like 'I've surpassed Fjant' and other players when most of them aren't around to do anything about it is pathetic...
*shrugs* Those players either don't play, or are no longer at the height of their talents and likely won't ever be so addicted to mudding again (or at least this silly mud). They have grown up and gone on. You were there when they were at their height... you weren't exactly a 'newbie' back then either. You played for a number of years and weren't a bad player, but you were quite average. If you've surpassed those players, it's only because the game has passed them by and they aren't here to acquit themselves of your dishonour.
Cheers,
Marsellus
Though, back when Fjant, and Marthaon were great, I never really knew much about pking, just heard...so I cannot give them my vote
Barazbund
Mahamodie
i think they are both ingenious and very skilled.
There is only one.
I'd just like to agree that Mahamodie is one of the better assassins to have played the game. It's a sad thing to see him inactive, because he brings a fun to the game, and he also doesnt use the fancy settings most of us do today, he uses green background, and horrible other colors :)
When ERs were in the game, I went to Mordor constantly. In particular, I got dark arrows a lot, even though the ERs really couldn't do anything about it and couldn't stop me. Rauko chained me down and let them kill me for it once, but Rauko later agreed that it wasn't abusive and gave me my EQ and stats back. I would then generally take those dark arrows out of Mordor and use them to kill people.
And that's why I'm the best assassin ever. Even though I'm a warrior.
Azarael, I didn't say 'fighting a guild alone makes you a bad assassin.' It doesn't. But it doesn't suddenly mean that you're a god, either. And whether or not Osse called your little whipping trick abuse is irrelevant. The point still remains that you guys went to Mordor a lot because you knew you could get out safely by using it. Again, and again. And lastly, Az...how can you argue against something like 'No, fighting guilds alone doesn't make you a good assassin,' but then support a claim like 'I went to Mordor a lot. I'm the best assassin ever.' Going to Mordor and killing the occasional SoU means so little, man. Ugh. You people are all so full of it. :P
Honestly I do not believe one can judge or give a title to 'Best killer of all time'.
I think we would have to break it up into ages. The first age, The Second age etc etc. An age consisting of maybe 2 or 3 years. 3 or 4.
Because Frankly the game is about 90% percent different then when Fjant played to when Vallejo played. The thing is what defines an assassin? What makes him stand out above the rest? I think being a killer is not just how many kills you got. Not just how many times you can kill someone and pay the 10k or 20k fine. What about the Fear they provoked? What about every time they entered a room, no matter what you checked your healing or your hp? Or ran finds on the assassin constantly? What about his style of play? What about how you felt when you died to him? I think all of these have to be put into an account. After all
Noone's that good. As ruiniel said there's no best pker.
I doubt he's that good Connor:)
|seven or eight hundred players I've killed.| omg:P l33t bastard, are you sure they are 8hundred?!
As for Rendor, you're good...maybe even as good as you think :P But you're not going to convince anyone like this. Let your kills speak for themselves, and spare us all _another_ log page pissing contest.
Thanks!
By the way, this whole thread is pretty stupid. I think the best playerkillers from this game are pretty widely known by everyone...it's not really open to debate, it's a fact...regardless of how you feel about them. Theres no 'classes' of playerkillers either Karvid, the best pkillers have always just done what they wanted, and not given a damn about what anyone else thought and I'm pretty sure would scoff at anyone trying to catagorize them for there style of play.
My personality has always been this way. I step up to the plate, and point out to center-left field, and call my shot.
I tell the guild before I attack, that i will destroy them. Then, I do. I offer to end wars repeatedly, but no one ever wants to, even though dozens of members are dying. Give me 50k, I say, and I'll go away. Its the humiliation factor, I assume.
Am I egotistical, as an assassin? You betch your sweet ass. That's what makes me who I am. I'm a swaggering, cocky, cold-blooded killer. I learned from the best. I learned from Valerian, and Draven, and the Klokers, and Fjant, and Kheldar , and Karanach. They were all my friends, my mentors. Then I honed my skills in Mordor, and on the rest of the unsuspecting Arda.
Do I speak, knowing I make an ass out of myself? Perhaps. But then again, I've also made an assassin out of myself, which is more than can be said for you.
Oh, by the way, as far as Mordor and the whip goes, its not like that's the only way i ever got out of Mordor. I used SoB many times, and normal weapons, and many other ways to get out, including letting myself be hunted, so i could break, and then run back and kill the troll.
Sure, maybe you were inactive back then, but you're pretty goddamn inactive right now too. I guess I really don't need to prove myself to you on here though. One has to only ask the seven or eight hundred players I've killed.
I do believe 'Connor Ria' was the best name ever. Thank you.
I was never warned for use of the whip. rendor was warned for giving me the whip after being told by Osse to stop whipping the troll but failing to tell me that he had been told to stop whipping the troll. Hence, I ran and whipped the troll.
I do believe the warning was later removed, and Osse also has said since that whipping the troll was not abuse. The ERs lied about the situation while whining about it.
I won't say much else, except I think it speaks volumes that Caber and Karvid are actually trying to make an argument that fighting a war against an entire guild alone somehow makes you a bad assassin? fdl that's a new idea. That's a pretty absurd argument any way you look at it.
You say it's 'easy' because the solo person knows he's going to get attacked? So isn't it easy for everyone in the guild who know they are going to get attacked, too?
also, how is it possible to be busy killing members of a guild and simultaneously stand around and wait to be attacked? Don't you have to do one or the other?
You two are both better and smarter than to make such an asinine argument. I'm kind of embarrased for you guys.
Az
As for Rendor and his alts, he has been among the elite active assassins for longer than anyone else, everyone else has taken breaks or left but rendor has always been there, that should certainly qualify him for something...
ruiniel! fdl you're a retard if that wasn't a very sarcastic comment.
However Mahamodie, Devon, and Nurgamazur should all be remembered
And we cannot say anything about Grimscar since we don't actually now 100% who he is.
Among the best: Definitely Mahamodie:P Ruiniel, too.
Rendor, nothing personal, but you're so goddamn full of it. Nobody else has stepped up here and claimed to be the best, and it's probably because they didn't want to make an ass out of themselves like you just did. You didn't see Kazin in Mordor when ERs were around? Hey, it might be because he was mostly inactive by then. I have a hunch you didn't see Kerosion or Fjant in there either, huh? Go figure. Meanwhile, you were such a badass, running into Mordor and facing 20 ERs guarding the well and whatnot...while using a 'feature' of the whip to keep yourself safely out of harm's way while killing the troll. We all remember it, dude, and it's not like you were insanely brave for abusing the same damn thing over and over until the ainur changed it (and gave Azarael a warning, too!). So uh, if that makes you the best assassin ever, then so be it. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder, huh?
And taking on an entire guild by yourself? I agree with Karvid. Christ, I stand around all day waiting to get attempted. Actually having an entire guild who wants to do nothing but kill me...that would be dreamy. You're good, man, but best ever? Hahaha. Nobody can really claim that title, and you're certainly no exception. :)
hehe
I think Mahamodie probably deserves to be mentioned among the best.
Ouch, Karvid, that would hurt if it weren't so blatantly not true.
I'd like to make a couple points.
First, you say that its 'easy' to fight a whole guild, when you know you're always going to be attempted. I'd like to point out, that their ENTIRE GUILD knew they were going to be attempted, and whats more, I would try them solo, and they would try me with five or more people.
We would both have the same level of 'readiness', I don't understand how it makes ME a bad player to decimate entire guilds. Wouldn't that be the guild's fault?
Secondly, as far as Kazin being the best 'assassin'?
Where the hell was Kazin when Evil Races roamed Mordor? I sure as fuck didn't see him inside. Fighting one guild all over Arda is one thing. -I- was fighting the entire SoU guild, and going to Mordor on a regular basis. I would pkill SoU INSIDE MORDOR when there were FIFTEEN to TWENTY evil races playeres and SoU present, all focused on one goal - killing ME - and I couldn't get out until I'd killed that fucking troll. So I would intentionally trap myself, where I had no backup and no safety, no innrooms, no guildhall, only what I brought in with me - and you say that's nothing???
Sure, I died in Mordor a few times. Yeah, I lost the whip once or twice. I also didn't know Barad Dur at all. I was pure 'regular' Mordor. If I'd known Mordor back then, like I do now, they'd have never, ever, ever killed me a single time. All I knew how to do was drunk-heal in the plains, while SoU would stand inside Mordor and do finds for Evil Races to tell them where I was.
That experience is what made me the player I am. That's why I own all of you. My brother, Azarael, and myself, were the biggest threat, the biggest enemy to Mordor that ever existed.
So to everyone else who was too chickenshit to go into Mordor in the prime of Evil Races, you can all piss off, you don't know how to freaking play. This is not Carebear Land. This is stomp your guts out and don't think twice land.
Evil Races were the best thing to ever happen to me. It made me five times as good as I was before they were put in. Ruiniel learned to play as an Evil Race. I became what i am by killing him. And guess what? I've been kicking Ruiniel's ass then, now, and everywhere inbetween.
I kill who I want. I can kill the best of the good guys, and the best of the evil guys. I have surpassed Fjant. I have surpassed Vallejo, and Baklen, and Kheldar, and Kerosion.
I am the best assassin in the game, and don't you forget it.
There's also some crap.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO JUST SCROLLED TO THE END OF THE LIST:
SCROLL BACK UP. THERE IS GOOD STUFF IN THERE. ESPECIALLY WHEN I COMMENT. WORTH READING.
*pats himslef on the back*
Fimbu if you you really wanna get nasty you can say that the best pkillers by far were Littleone and Huntress..now ive just disgusted myself
At any rate, what I am really interested in is what kind of criteria people use to rate what a good pkiller is
Come to think of it, I know what you're referring to. You're talking about that Holic vs. SoU business. Let me remind you that I didn't start that shit at all, and if I didn't have any personal experience with that sort of situation then could my opinion even be listened to with a certain weighted reverence?
We should make a list of the best surnames ever.
1. Flappypants.
2. Snippyshorts.
3. Trickytrousers.
Flappypants was my invention of course. This list is far superior to the other lists being made in this thread. See, I tied my random stuff into the thread. Happy now Fimbu?
That's Mr. Flappypants to you, Snippyshorts.
Last time I checked, you weren't a moderater here, Mr. Fimbu sir.
Here now, Mithgil, this is not just a forum for any random spam that you want to post. Stick to the god damn topic already.
The laryngitis, not the kirby.
It's been getting worse all day, Fimbu.
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Hah. After only two comments?
I'm getting laryngitis.
Let me elaborate on my last comment:
fikbu r te uversujk
fimbu iz yeh suc
And I have more stuff to say about certain comments in this log, but there's a point where you've gotta just stop, ya know? I'll say them later. One thing I have to say is about Devinius' comment, and one is about Ignorance's first comment. And both of those things (that I'm going to say) are pretty critical, of the commenters/comments. But you're going to have to wait and stay tuned to find out what it is I'm going to say, because I'm sure as hell not going to say it now.
Ok, it has been pointed out to me that I probably was twelve at some point in the past. Yeah, maybe I was. Once. BUT NEVER AGAIN!
ZING!
Oh. And I would just like to clear up something about Ignorance's third comment on this log. I am not twelve years old. I have never been twelve years old and I never will be twelve years old. I am fifteen and nearly sixteen, so, to quote Caber: 'Nyah.' I guess Ignorance lived up to his name this time.
Oh, Hi Caber.
And folks, don't worry about my little 'before I go' comment. It will be a while 'before I go.' I'll be here all night, if need be. The people asked and I delivered.
Oh. And before I go, I'd just like to point out that it was Muhtar who inspired this interesting, thought-provoking, friendly and nostalgia-inspiring conversation. Big ups to you, Muhtar. I think you deserve a nice, solid, pat on the back. Seriously.
I HAVE BEEN FIMBUZLED
I also thought of, as an idea for being funny, just making a long list of boring, lame comments on the log. But I mean, come on, that's just fucking stupid.
I said nothing of the sort, Ignorance. And I'm not nerdy. Who's Mr. LAN party with Geeky friends anyway?
I'd like to make an addendum to my third comment on this log. I just want to say that if I said that, it would also be lame because it's not really MP info anyway, seeing as Vallejo probably doesn't exist as a character on the Towers anymore.
Fimbu is 12 years old. He's like every smart, nerdy kid you ever knew rolled into one. How do I know this? He told me.
Since Fimbu refuses to say something cliche, I'll do it for him.
Shelob is the best player killer ever.
I'm gonna keep thinking of something original and funny to say. So stay tuned. I'll let you know if I come up with any more flops, too.
Oh, Hi Ignorance.
I could, of course, have gone for the surrealist humour and said something like 'Orange Oliphaunts having sex with George Bush's aunt' to throw people off. You know, like, shock humour. But then I'd sound like Kilth or somebody like that. If I were a few years younger, that's definitely what I would have said.
Ok. My perspective is limited, but for whatever it's worth, here are some people I think have/used to have style.
Rendor - He's pulled a ton of nice kills.
Nagash - Does some nifty client stuff. For those of you who talk shit about automation, let's see you tweak your client this well.
Barazbund - He owned this place when I first started playing here.
Baklen - He had styles when he could slam down tons of vials, and would try anything. Then, the player base on the towers got more skilled.
Um, yeah. Also, Karvid is definitely a 2b style player.
I also considered commenting and saying somebody really bad, or just really silly, was the best. Like 'Best player killer ever? Rhoads, hands down.'
But then Rhoads would probably block me. And that's also overused.
Or I could have just said 'MP INFO Karvid!', you know, for the Vallejo thing. But that wouldn't have been amusing so much as irritating.
I coulda done a fake top five like Nogothrim used to. But that's overused. Or said, like, 'Draugluin, because he nukes ppl a lot.' But I've seen idiots make the Nuke-playerkill joke a thousand time.
I tried to figure out something funny to comment with on this log. But everything was so cliche.
I don't know who this Karvid fellow is, but he sounds like a nice enough guy!
Btw, would you people please unblock Vallejo, I'm tired of commenting with this name. :P
Stryper wasn't a very good player let alone player killer. He had personality and maybe that's where you're mistaken. Baklen was okay, but man, the thing you guys gotta understand about player-killers and shit is that there's basically 2 1/2 types.
1) The kind I like: The people that will only hunt their enemies and kill people that often times know that said assassin may be after them.
2a) The kind I don't like: These guys that fill random contracts, go into Mordor kill anyone that they can and shit like that.
2b) Branching off a little bit, there's something I just have to have said. A certain marque of player-killer thinks they're pulling something off by challenging a guild solo or whatever. Well, that's not hard to do man. If you know that you'll be attempted every time you log on then it isn't fucking hard to dodge attempts and you're an idiot if you think it is. Then picking off random guild members who are just on to fuck around isn't doing anything special either.
That being said. Best player killer ever? Kazin, hands down.
I am the worst pkiller.
WOAH, calenril is an assassin??!
I'd just like to say, Fobos fucking sucked :P
And Dormin deserved to win BB's contest. Talking about BB, it's ridiculous he got no legend, the very fact there was a dispute about that was ridiculous..of course that tall-like-a-mushroom whipmaster rocked too..there are many people who are cool assassins.
There is no 'best killer' there are many good guys out there, active or inactive..mostly inactive..like me. And if it was for personal experience - the only player who has ever made me feel awe and respect was Ford (back when I was an ER). Still, I know I'm the best killer:) And there are many guys as good as me too..mostly dunlendings..
Karanach.
I hold three names in high regard when it comes to pkillers, old school, new school, whatever you want to say, these three to me where tops.
Stryper - only while he was a pkiller.
Devon - you who remember will know why.
Kazin.
That's all from me.
The others mentioned have all been skilled, lethal, and worthy of rememberance. But these three I recall more for their quiet finality. I tip my glass to you three, and all who came before and after you.
I know who can kill Lalo solo: the Numeric Math...*lol*
He fear Numeric Math, she can be empty handed, lalo dies.
Mizrahi he never kill or attemp me solo :)
He fear me :)
I miss him...
Lalo BadHead
I can't believe you expect people to be mature enough to actually rate players, hell, people aren't mature enough to even rate logs. It is totally based on 'I don't like X, therefore he sucks'. It would be cool if we reached that maturity level but I highly doubt we will. I never liked Rendor for instance, but from what I have seem he is not a bad player. Caber too :P even thou he sucks now!
Hey Lalo be careful what do you write, ok?
and who is the worst assassin?
Ouch!
junio = june
Caber I am talking about the Rendor who went berserk and switch sides from being a durm to whacking durms like flies.
Fobos killed a lot of good people as far as I can remember, but my main respect for him is that his kills were solo and on people average to excellent in skill
both rendors suck..actually 'old' wasn't that bad..or just the rest of us were too lame back then:)
Fobos tried to kill me once or twice. Solo, which I give him credit for...but he failed. And 'old Rendor?' No, old Rendor sucked. New Rendor is good, but old Rendor wasn't so great. I guess it depends on your definition of 'old' though, huh?
Ruiniel wtf is that mean?
Why not just state what you think is a good criteria instead of bashing people...oh and you've never killed me but tried numerous times..happy hunting :)
Dunno about yor criteria - I've either killed you or you are a friend or you are not important:P
Well, i hear talk about much people that i dont know
I can say that i am new in this game although i play this game
since 10 junio 2001, but i consider julius like the best pkiller
because he kill solo and dont search his victim low in Hp, when he
found it hi attack, the victim can stay in perfect.
We saw him breaking a big gangbang and them kill all gangband's
member. We saw him kill hisself for kill a party.
I love his style and think that he is the best pkiller in this times :).
If you want know the worst assassin only ask me :)
Lalo BadHead
I forgot Marthaon
My main comment I guess is that it seems to me that new school players seem to define their skill based on the number of kills they posted on the logs page rather then the number of sucessfull vs unsucsesful kills they got. For example I can just say that Fobos, who was a durm, had the highest number of kills on the durms kill board (that would be more than the number of kills Darkclaw had in his 2 separete reincarnations)is one of the best because he probably had a sucess rate of about 90% and most of his kills were solo kills on good players. The problem is that he never got famous because he did not comm legend X everytime he killed someone.
It would be interesting to do a census of pkills vs failed attempts :)
At any rate, I would most likely say that the best pkillers would be:
Fjant (although he cheated like a mad man...2 backstabs in the same fight for example)
Darkclaw and Fobos
Dravin and Valerian
Old Rendor
and yes marsellus...but thats only because he whacked his own GM in his guildhall :P
any just my 50 cents..thought this would be an interesting discussion
I have only been truly inspired by 2 assassins. Darkclaw and Rendor. I am not saying they are awesome, because they killed me, (not that I am a hard target) or anything, in fact, Darkclaw was a good friend, when I first joined the Sons. But the logs I have seen speak for themselves. I remember once, Rendor chasing someone, Barazbund I think it was, around arda. Barazbund had a ton of healing, and hit nearly every break I could think of, yet Rendor stayed with him the whole way, and ended his life. Solo.
If your goal is simply to level bash and demoralize an entire guild, then I can see the need to gang bang, but if you want to be remembered for your skills, then the definition of good assassin is a successful solo assassin.
i made my own aliases and stuff, its not hard at all and the only reason someone would need to take someone elses is because they're too lazy to make their own, unless of course they were mentally handicapped or something :p
Greetings,
Baklen was after Fjant, but he was very good from what I have heard. Likely one of those in the new school era who played like an old schooler (and there are quite a few of those).
Old School vs. New School... I'd like to think the game changed from old school to new school about the time that Dravin/Valerian/Fjant and perhaps until the first version of ERs was released. The reason I mention that version of ERs is because the player killing in Mordor was limited somewhat based on alignment. Mordor was a better place for wars in the old days, now it's a 'catch-if-catch-can' area.
However, old school is not necessarily just about the era a player played during. The thing that most new schoolers should object to when an old schooler calls them new school is that most of their knowledge is considered to be 'hammy-down'. I hear there are players who gained knowledge mostly on their own, or learning from a few friends. Then, as I said before, there were people who got their alias files from old schoolers (Dravin and Valerian notably) and merely look like old school now. It's a shame, really... I have respect for these new schoolers who have accomplished things on their own, but it's a large question I have as to exactly HOW MUCH they benefitted from such a handover.
It's not really worth debating... The game has changed quite a bit... But when someone sucks for many years, then you see a jump in their abilities right around the time that the old school players leave and the new school arrive... It's gotta leave you scratching your head, no matter how much you respect the players current abilities.
Cheers,
Marsellus
PS. Why am I doing this? I hate this mud.
This is not doable :P
Marsellus makes a good point. There's no way you can compare 'old school' to 'new school' because of how much things have changed. We can't compare Grimscar, for example, to Fjant just because Grimscar's got a few nifty kills under his belt. Nearly everything in the whole damn game has changed so much since Fjant was around that, while both are good players, they are un-comparable. But then it brings another question, what is the line that seperates new school from old school?
As i said i haven't been around that long but wasen't Baklen around when Fjant and the others where? Or he wasen't skilled enough Marsellus?
I forgot Darkclaw, among others...
The world without Aug... Paradise, duh:P
Aug rules though:P
Greetings,
Have to separate old school players from new school...
old school players (some still exist) generally defined pkilling and broke ground by developing new ways of killing people.
new school players while still very skilled, are generally hampered by a mud that discourages solo kills with instantaneous healing (jerkies, vials, phials, etc). The new school mentality relies heavily on friends who hand out alias lists instead of using their brains.
Frankly, old school players weren't handed Dravin's and Valerian's mud client files to import into their zmud.
Best Old School Players who were also Killers (and this isn't going to be ranked, because it would be impossible to rank them):
Fjant (i'd probably rank him best)
Kerosion
Shadow (most don't know this guy, but he was fun and I admired his style)
Kheldar
Sunem
Dravin
Valerian
Elthor
Marsellus (how humble of me to put my name at the bottom)
I likely forgot a few... No, I didn't forget any other Daedin folk.
I won't talk about the new school players, since it would imply they aren't as good because many of them benefitted from Dravin/Valerian's aliases... *shrugs* Some of them haven't and are as good as the old school players. Too bad the mud isn't as friendly to old school tactics anymore. You'll likely not get as many good reputations among new school players because Gangbangs are more prevalent...
Just my thoughts. You could be wrong...
Cheers,
Marsellus
I'm out of jokes right now, but I'm working on'em
I'll Shulk!
What would the world be without Aug?? Sad and boring... Keep up the good work Aug...
Yes Corpus another of my stupied jokes :)
'if you take out someone like calenril solo in mordor counts for much more :P'
Muhtar is Calenrils alt!!!!! :P
-Aug
Well i haven't been around to see Baklen and Fjant in action :( And i don't say they are the best just because thoose 2 are the once people mostely talk about when they mention people from the past. I belive there where probely alot of people in the old days that where great.I have to say that NOW in this time Julius is the best...