So I was fighting Galadhrim in the tree yesterday, and I used a blued dagger on Galandrin. Then Devinius backstabs and hunts me with Ryangadlf. So I report them all for hunting, and he's going to contract and hitlist me repeatedly. So I go kill a Galadhrim. Now you have something GOOD to hitlist me for.
Clearly Trempk has many pimples.
Hey, Trempk made a list. I'll say something serious about something that Trempk said, for once. And here's what it is: That list shows an incredible lack of understanding of life, in general.
Date: 21. Apr, 2004, 18:15:39 By: Trempk
Maybe you and winnetou can team up and get your strategies straight so you've got a better chance. :P
Trempk, every once in a while you come out with an absolute gem of a comment..... This is one of those occasions.
Take a bow.
man, i need to get some funny clown shoes
Haha. That's a cool picture of a stick figure man with clown shoes.
I see no flaw in Saritalr's stragety :O <=8
Maybe you and winnetou can team up and get your strategies straight so you've got a better chance. :P
for fucks sake, who's ass do i have to kiss around here to get into dh?!? ive been trying everything!
Amruin - cool dudes, rp better every day, ok protection, ok armoury, probably relatively easy to get into.
See, kinda biased. Anyway, by protection I mean when people pk or steal from you, whats going to happen to them. Ok means that they might have trouble with the really good players, but not the common people. Decent is a little better, more organized, better at gangbanging people. And about being easy to get into is about me and how i feel it would be if i made an alt and tried to get in, those guilds not knowing who i was. If you know what they want, you know what you have to look like to get in.
Valacirca - Best guild ever! Well, all together, with the chars I had in different guilds and visited different guilds, I like Valacirca the most!
And about Amruin, they have their times of inactivity and activity, kinda like with the evils guild when they are playing different alts, but since Amruin aren't full of alts, I don't get it together ;)
So, all members in Moral guilds are newbies, interesting...
'I didn't do Amruin because I know it too well to have any idea what to write.' Hard.
Amruin - people who are mostly newbies, with a few exceptions. Alot like KoDA fighting the moral side without ever having a chance on the battleground. Pretty easy to get into. preotection? What protection. low to badly decent armoury
Hmm, that was a pretty fair analysis. Good job, Trempk.
1o0
what i mean is Trempk tell amruin now
somone tell amruin!
Pretty much sums it up!
I have to agree with Trempk.
p.s. DH sounds the coolest by far, doesn't it? *mgrin*
Fine, here goes. If it seems kind of negative, you're right. It wouldn't seem right if I wasn't negative on all of them. I didn't do Amruin because I know it too well to have any idea what to write.
Apply to a guild and you're gonna get:
Beornings - people who play how they want to play, 'impartial morals' who do what they want and think about how it can fit their characters later. Always seem to have that one member that just plain pisses you off. Suprising they aren't more like udungul, maybe if some of the evil guilds were more like bkd. Ok protection, ok armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
BKD - people who are mostly interested in the pp side of rp. RP like dwarves: get gold/eq, don't like to take a lot of shit, kinda uptight, usually a good armoury, decent protection. Probably relatively easy to get into.
CoU - people who seem to get into shit and then disappear. Don't ever seem very strong, probably cause their best players leave for other guilds or go solo so they can pk more people. Maybe harder to get into cause their GM seems to always be inactive.
DH - people who pk and then afk in their GH. RP killers, will pk anyone who looks at them or their friends wrong. Usually a good armoury, mostly from donations. Good protection. Kiss a lot of ass or know somebody and you might get in.
Galadhrim - people who are mostly newbies, protect a place that usually always has someone attacking in it, gluttons for punishment like KoDA. Relatively weak, probably not as reliable an armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
Glorglas - people who are mostly newbies, not a whole lot going on here. Have been trying to get on their feet ever since they started. Not sure about their RP cause they're never noticed. Poor protection, probably not a reliable armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
GV - people who want to help shape a new guild and people who want a character in the new guild. RP up for grabs. Everybodies target, relatively weak so far. Probably not a reliably armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
KoDA - people who know how to take a lot of shit and not do a whole lot about it. Think they're better than everyone else and want respect for their style of play but don't demand it. Respect doesn't have to be given in this game, it has to be taken. Have the non-pk RP down. Probably an ok armoury, poor protection. Probably relatively easy to get into.
Mirdain - people who you haven't really heard of not doing a whole lot. Make stuff for people, heh. Poor protection. Probably not a reliable armoury. Probably realatively easy to get into.
Ranhoth - people who like newbies and are newbies. Again, not a whole lot going on here. If a real good pper got into here, I bet they would go crazy. Newbies, what else can I say? Probably relatively easy to get into.
RoI - people who play how they want to play, probably a lot like what GV will become. Roleplay the more evil side of moral. Won't take a whole lot of shit, like bkd. Decent protection, decent armoury. Maybe a little harder to get into.
SoU - people who are immorals, pretty standard don't seem to special anymore. Seem to bend their RP when it suits them. Ok protection, or armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
Thieves - people who keep secret. I don't know, they haven't had any effect on me in the 7+ years i've played here, and if they did, they're doing a good job. Probably have to know somebody to get in.
Udungul - people who like to pt(powertalk). Like to get into trouble, someone in the guild will pk somebody for something stupid and drag the rest of them into the shit. Will probably be in another guild war sooner than later. Always seem to have the wrong people to try to be a RP guild. Ok protection. Ok armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
VC - people who are morals, have two sides. One half layed back, one half Holier Than Thou. Ok protection, ok armoury. Probably relatively easy to get into.
If you disagree, then change my mind. I'm not all-knowing as most of you believe, I'm sure. But thats how I would see it if I was looking to join them.
It would be fun if you did, Trempk.
I gotta admit, you've piqued my curiosity T.
Yeah, do it Trempk! Don't be a wuss!:P
id like to know as well
Go into detail Trem, This could be interesting...
If you've been around here for a while, when you apply to join a guild, you know what you're getting into, meaning that you know what each guild is like. If the guild doesnt fit your style, you shouldn't join it. Unfortunitely, guild's themes usually have nothing to do with this, for those of us who have been here a while anyway. I could go into more detail for every guild, but then a lot of people probably wouldn't like me :P Wait...
god, cut it with the sob story beyaz, nobody really cares all that much.
Me! dumbass! *rotfl*
Friends Zelindo?
HAH!
Like i ever had any to start with...
IMHO, good logistics is far more important than the act of pkilling itself.
Noone is innocent. Those young members provide logistical support for elder members, weapons, healing and even gold and killing them is a good tactical move. And it also does bad things to morale. We're in war, remember.
what does it mean if you describe someone as 'back biting?'
Maybe he's mad at you because you're annoying, Beyaz, not because of your alts. (Though it's a valid reason, I suppose.) But just remember, you can make a -lot- of friends when you don't push them away, ass. Pushing your friends away, like you did, earned you enemies.
Have fun frnd :((
I'll stop bitching at Deboraha when she's nuked, suicided, or otherwise gone from Two Towers. She's every name under the sun and then some. If it makes me immature to bitch at the people I dislike, then I am immature, but I won't be censored sorry. Besides, so long as she continues to bad mouth me and Galadhrim, I will continue to bad mouth her. If you want to call a back biting witch your friend, that's your perrogative.
Someone else feels we are the same people with different chars?
(I mean, if you see regularly 300 chars, there's only 100 people behind)
Rhoads is cute when he's frustruated ;)
Hey, Devinius, I consider you a friend. But please, stop bitching Debbie, you're only acting immature.
Delete my account please Rhoads
Screw you people. I stop reading this tread for a little and there is already MP in it? Stop this bs now. I dont care who is alt of who, if they separate their bloody chars that shouldnt be a problem to anyone at all! God damn it.
Nuked even :P
I think Blace is just upset cos he got nuled previously because of something he did to me...
AWWWWWWWW!!!!
EVERYONE SAY 'AWWWWWWWWW!!!!!'
THing about Galadhrim is that whatever fuckheads decide to have a go, can have a go - we stick together, and targetting low levels doesn't work. We pay for their skills and stats to relevel and we get on with things. We won't be intimidated by tactics like that, Deboraha would love to think so since her only goal in life is to be the C that she is.
No Beyaz, no enemies at all (well, only my old 'friend' Namarik)
I don't think I have done anything to anybody to hate me, maybe I have killed Tenzy too much times but.. 'oh well' ;)) ah yes! and I rate low Rajje logs!! xD
Deboraha are you talking again? Stfu witch.
Deragor....it was Beeenz, who was also my old alt...
YES PEOPLE, I WAS BEEENZ....COME AND GET ME!!!!
I guess thats why I hate politics and management :D
No Betus....most of the old enemies will still be there, yet i find that most of the friends arent.
Very wise words Deboraha, that's exactly the tactic, that's one of the reasons I left my guild and now I'm alone, tired of being target for my mates actions and later tired of see my mates dying for my mistakes.
Better life alone, no friends = no enemies?? maybe...
that and killing the women and children :P
Actually. Finarf, it's an old tactic. If you have an elder member of guild with whom you are dissatisfied and you want to effect a change on them, you don't go after that player. You go after the younger and weaker around them and tell them 'XXXX brought this on you because this is what they have done...' and you let the younger members, or XXXX's compassion for the younger players be the catalyst for change.
That's what happens when you have newbies in your guild and someone like Devinius around who is good at painting bullseyes on himself. Those targets will inevitably rub onto the people near him.
It's an ancient political manuever that is still effective.
Proves nothing, yeah. But it does hurt.
By killing a low level member, you prove nothing.
My point is if Devinius hunted you, go after him.
Otoron : COJONES!!! *rotfl*
cajones = drawners
I suppose I'll comment. Galadhrim, and many other guilds, like to make up these rules for RP which everybody should follow. But not everybody knows everybody else's rules, nor does everybody agree with everybody (anybody?) else. MY view, is that if somebody attacks me to defend a npc, they're screwing around for fun. If they hunt me, they're trying to kill me. Yes you can RP all you like, but you can't make anybody else agree with how you RP, and once you engage in combat with them, they can do whatever the hell they like. So when Devinius starts hunting me, without any warning or reason why until after I might add, I'm going to report him.
About Dorfindel: I went for him because he was in a position where I thought I could get him. Bheem was staying in his hall for a while, and Teion was sticking close to Lothlorien. Nothing wrong with that, they may have left and I just didn't do finds then, but thats why I went for Dorfindel. Not my fault he sold all his equipment and deposited the gold before I attacked. And if you're in a guild, you have to accept the disadvantages with the advantages. What your guild does reflects on you, and while people may help you just because you're a Galadhrim, there are also people who will kill you fir it. Like me! Sure he doesn't HAVE to learn huntbreaks, but he's going to keep dying until he does.
Thats all folks.
Otoron,
Dont get me wrong. I have indulged in P2P combat many times, I love it, I live for it (and would die for it).
No, Finarf.
The reason your suggested Lothlorien RP doesn't happen is because Galadhrim don't have the cajones to make it happen, and can't. You SHOULD fade and have five people kill anyone- anyone- who enters Lothlorien. I've told Devinius this a thousand times. You don't, because you sacrifice your RP to (very understandable, don't get me wrong) playability.
However, Finarf, you seem to want it both ways. You want to be able to force YOUR rp (defending elves in CG) upon other people, yet don't want them to enforce -their- version of Arda (World at war, fuck you, time to die, etc) on you. I call bullshit. Have you ever typed 'kill X', where X is the name of a non-npc? If so, welcome to the world of pkilling and player-vs-player interaction, and welcome to all the bullshit and consequences that comes with it.
If you want a world where you can RP defend places with no chance of dying and no 'hard feelings', there are plenty of MUSHs out there for you.
Wasn't that Beeenz Blace?
I got owned too, for not reading further than Zelindo's comment before making one myself. :(
Zelindo, he had not created Viktor at the time.
Heh is Beyaz talking about RP!? I remember last year a certain KoDA that soon suicided reported a party of us evils, about 10 of us for murdering and attempting him when he died trying to defend DA. Then i kill him one too many times in a row and get nuked. Beyaz who are you to talk about RP.
-->Blace
Holy shit, I got owned. Oh well. It's not like there was a huge difference, though.
While we are talking things of great import, let me add a few more.
About newbies and guilds
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Have you thought that there might be some newbie members to whom being in a guild is like being in a set of people with similar interests, with whom they can go kill NPCs and have 'newbish' fun? Some people here are not to powerplay, indulge in pc to pc interaction through pks/rp whatever. For them its all about being to team up to destroy evil NPCs. Maybe they dont give a shit about your pk abilities, huntbreaks or such stuff. For them a pk is a nuisance, since it causes huge loss of skills/stats. Would you say that such people should never join a guild? Maybe each guild should have a section (publically declared) of people who love p2p interaction and those are the ones you should try your uber macho skills on.
What possible satisfaction can any killer derive from killing a totally clueless person? I dont know. Just for kicks maybe. Everytime there is a war, why is it that most of the people dying on either side are newbies.
So with reference to Mr.Delvar, not all newbies *want* to learn huntbreaks. They want to chill out, kill orcs have fun. Think about it. Not everyone comes here for having hostilities with other players.
About RP
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How many of you have really read Fellowship of the Ring, by J.R.R. Tolkien? Its a relevant book to this game, read it. In that book, if you turn over to chapter on Lothlorien, you can see that there were elves hidden in trees. There was a rope bridge across a river which was disabled except when needed, to prevent entry of orcs. There was no Lothlorien signpost, and there were no retarded villainous elves inside Caras Galadhon. Lothlorien was a hell for an immoral player. If you want to really Roleplay, all of our archers can fade, randomly pepper your ass till you are a corpse and then perform elven necrophilia on it. Does that happen? No. Thank your stars. Why doesnt it happen? Because there are people like Devinius, Ninyari and the council who have laid down rules for RP. Its an eye for an eye again. We dont attack faded, we always use merciful. Why? Because to enhance playability along with roleplaying, it helps if you are not often corpsed. Think about it.
Miscellaneous
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To the ex-KODA member Mr. Beyaz, I think you know little about this situation. Your views are appreciated, but are also identified as flawed in logic.
About the Log
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It was a very good kill on a totally clueless un-eqed player.
reciprocation...
t to the y...
sarilthadr
and grats to dulak
Like i care if he was attacking me personally. I'm still going to call them out on being ignorant fuckwits. And Cathal, this new 'english as a second language' thing youre trying out is really cute, stick with it sweetheart ;) I know you miss me!
I'm sure he wasn't attacking you personally Saritalr :-P
Sarah Lindsay, you're being a faggot, so suck on a fruit from the stfu tree, thanks.
You were like, damn, when did Trempk get so cool?
oooooh using 'gay' or 'homosexual' as a negative adj is stupid and insensitive. and youre an idiot. and you shouldnt have the right to speak if youre only going to be ignorant. so there.
G to the A
Gay
I read Taudrek's name as 'Trempk' about 3 times in a row.
Hey Zelindo, in case you didn't know, that log you mentioned was actually posted by Thrfak and didn't mention Viktor at all.
DO RESURCH B4 TLKIN PLZ THXU
And also, Viktor -could- have said something and it got removed because maybe it was too offensive. And there have been people who commented with more than one of their chars on a single log.
Hey Aron, in case you didn't know, a while back Viktor posted all of his alts in a goodbye log here. So it's pretty common knowledge.
DO RESURCH B4 TLKIN PLZ THXU
Viktor has not yet said anything at all as far as I can see, shall we stop with the mp stuff, Devinius?
Bullshit, i know more than you realise...but hey, think what you want man...its not my problem
I dont know what im talking about?
Viktor go make another alt and stfu. Beyaz, whatever. You don't know what you're talkin about so it's not worth me responding.
RP rules? *vomits*
I thought he was hibernated?
In fact he died yesterday ;-) nice not to have PK restrictions...
Right, you die!!!!
you a gay loner beyaz hahahahahaha you suck!!!!!!!!!!!11
Actually, Beyaz. Was only kidding, that's not the only thing! I'm able to 'commsilence' people too. Which adds an extra flavour to the whole GM thing!
Yeah...
Betus the dunedain Freelance Arms Dealer...
Beyaz the dunedain Loner...
:P
Yes, Beyaz, you're wasting your time... xD
Let's RP our way!
Bollocks, im wasting my time...
I hope someone does come up with a solution to this, cos it is going to ruin more than one guild if it isnt sorted out.
Bah!
Then you shouldnt be GM...someone who can be bothered to actually work for the guild, try to form new, and cement existing alliances.
Isnt that the job of GM?
Actually no, Beyaz. I'm just GM because I get to have a room with my name in the descripton. ; )
You guys arent listening...
Batter your GM's skull until they come up with a solution!!!
Don't stop until they have one!
Thats is why they are guildmaster/mistress, after all...is it not?
Date: 19. Apr, 2004, 12:44:16 By: Beyaz
And the daggers?
You wanna hunt your enemy, i see no problem with them using poisoned daggers to try and stop you.
He started with the dagger :P We was gonna hunt and merciful as a revenge for that ;)
...that last comment of mine didn't all make sense... *shrugs*
Well of course Beyaz, but, how many moral guilds RP with Galadhrim? None. How many immoral guilds wanna play by their lamer pussy rules in RP? None. So we develop rules that work for us and can work for them but Galadhrim like to take off more then they can chew, then Devinius opens his mouth ever 20 seconds and says stupid shit. while I'm on the note of you Devinius, if you have so many newbie members why don't you *gasps* teach them some huntbreaks?!? You're on for 12hours - 1day at a time and you can't even help our your guild? You'd rather just sit around and cop off stupid shit all the time? Hrm, makes sense.
That is why the respective GM's need to get their heads together and sort out a treaty, some basic rules that everyone agrees to follow.
Its not that difficult, really...i mean, you are all reasonably sensible human beings.
When will people realize that not everyone in this game RP's like everyone else? and maybe before attacking and hunting you should state how you RP or something so you don't come on here and bitch about it later? Just a thought.
I don't honestly know what i would've said if you had said yes....or even if you had said that i had any chance at all. :P
Wrote up this large comment, but then I realised how irrelevant it was, so I deleted it.
Haha, yes Naith...though it was actually a joke :P
I did it just to annoy you ;)
Bit hypocritical, isn't it, Beyaz? Considering that you were asking to join Daen Hecil last week.
So, either change your ways, or deal with it.
Simple solution!
And the daggers?
You wanna hunt your enemy, i see no problem with them using poisoned daggers to try and stop you.
You make my point very well Galandrin...
The whole point of RP is to defend your designated area...not to hunt people down to the ends of Arda, whether using merciful or not.
You obviously dont see that, so RP to you is something completely different than to someone like, lets say, Rougan or Radaster.
And...not everyone uses merciful...infact, most guilded players i have come up against didnt use merciful.
RP is boring ;)
What's so bad with hunting when you do have merciful on? ;)
And using poisoned daggers in RP sucks :(...
Hmm
How dare you touch the mighty Dolorin!
And i see no point in sticking to an agreement, when you are the only people who do.
I died too much, with little to no protection from the guild...since myself and Aravor were the 2 most active members...and he was mostly in Mordor.
And...KoDA being forced to follow the 2 (or something) year old RP agreement that Exarkun signed when he was GM. (Shows you how old the agreement is when it has Ex's signiture on it).
*bitches at Galadhrim*
But Beyaz... KoDA couldn't hunt in RP even if they wanted to, so what are some of the other reasons?
Hunting in RP, outside of your designated area is lame...we have all bitched at DH for doing it...so lets all bitch at Galadhrim.
This is one of the reasons why i dont want to be part of a guild.
Until someone gets off their arse and sorts out an RP agreement, this shit will continue to happen with increasing regularity.
What's stylish about a warlord whacking a low level noob? This is a 2 at best. And dulak you didn't give me a reason to hitlist you, you give me a reason to hitlist you again.
never mind seeing a galadhrim die for devinius's retardedness
I love your aliases. Very original.
Very stylish